by Clockwatcher » 12 Jul 2019 14:36
by linkenholtroyal » 12 Jul 2019 14:47
Clockwatcher Don’t forget we still need to offload
Aluko and Mannone as well!!!!!!!
by Mid Sussex Royal » 12 Jul 2019 15:49
John Madejski's Wallet Real shame this.
A previous posters have said. Criminally underused by Stam and his injury co-incided with a bad run. Never really had a chance since (partly due to injuries)
Great for both for both parties as Millwall absolutely play to his strengths.
Wish him well
by Ascotexgunner » 12 Jul 2019 17:08
Clockwatcher Don’t forget we still need to offload
Aluko and Mannone as well!!!!!!!
by Denver Royal » 12 Jul 2019 17:10
John Madejski's Wallet A previous posters have said. Criminally underused by Stam.
by muirinho » 12 Jul 2019 17:39
Denver RoyalJohn Madejski's Wallet A previous posters have said. Criminally underused by Stam.
In 2017, he started 1st game of season (for a playoff team) and got injured. Was essentially hampered by injury Aug thru Nov, but still played in 27 of 37 total games under Stam.
In actuality, he was unavailable for 7 of those 37 directly thru injury, basically missing Aug and Oct.
So, he played in 27 of the 30 Champ games he was available to Stam. (Also played in FA Cup 3rd Rd scoring hattrick)
Coming back from serious injury, played mostly as sub in Dec, which is basically the only time frame that I could criticize really. Again, unsure if he was completely fit, so maybe they were easing him back slowly.
Once fully fit, etc, starting in Jan, in Stam's last 10 games, he played 90, 90, 90, 63, 90, 90, 17, 90, 83 mins.
by Brain Traysers » 12 Jul 2019 17:42
Mid Sussex RoyalJohn Madejski's Wallet Real shame this.
A previous posters have said. Criminally underused by Stam and his injury co-incided with a bad run. Never really had a chance since (partly due to injuries)
Great for both for both parties as Millwall absolutely play to his strengths.
Wish him well
Actually was thinking the opposite, he is not good in the air for a big player (where the ball spends most of its time at Millwall) and his hold up play is generally poor ....yes he'll run all day but in all honesty he could have found a better club.
Seems a top bloke though so really hope it works out for him.
by Hound » 12 Jul 2019 17:50
muirinhoDenver RoyalJohn Madejski's Wallet A previous posters have said. Criminally underused by Stam.
In 2017, he started 1st game of season (for a playoff team) and got injured. Was essentially hampered by injury Aug thru Nov, but still played in 27 of 37 total games under Stam.
In actuality, he was unavailable for 7 of those 37 directly thru injury, basically missing Aug and Oct.
So, he played in 27 of the 30 Champ games he was available to Stam. (Also played in FA Cup 3rd Rd scoring hattrick)
Coming back from serious injury, played mostly as sub in Dec, which is basically the only time frame that I could criticize really. Again, unsure if he was completely fit, so maybe they were easing him back slowly.
Once fully fit, etc, starting in Jan, in Stam's last 10 games, he played 90, 90, 90, 63, 90, 90, 17, 90, 83 mins.
Exactly. So, saying he was criminally underused by Stam is total rubbish then. But of course, Stam is the current scapegoat manager, so I'm sure it's still his fault somehow.
by Hound » 12 Jul 2019 18:01
by Victor Meldrew » 12 Jul 2019 18:10
Mid Sussex RoyalJohn Madejski's Wallet Real shame this.
A previous posters have said. Criminally underused by Stam and his injury co-incided with a bad run. Never really had a chance since (partly due to injuries)
Great for both for both parties as Millwall absolutely play to his strengths.
Wish him well
Actually was thinking the opposite, he is not good in the air for a big player (where the ball spends most of its time at Millwall) and his hold up play is generally poor ....yes he'll run all day but in all honesty he could have found a better club.
Seems a top bloke though so really hope it works out for him.
by Denver Royal » 12 Jul 2019 18:18
by Zip » 12 Jul 2019 18:19
Hound Scrap that. Just had a look myself. Seemed like he started in 1 of a spell of 15 games (19th Sept through to 31st Dec). Suspect had he not scored a hatrick on his return to a starting spot he’d have stayed on the bench as well
So think posters are within their rights to suggest Stam under-played him tbh.
by Simon's Church » 12 Jul 2019 18:22
Victor MeldrewMid Sussex RoyalJohn Madejski's Wallet Real shame this.
A previous posters have said. Criminally underused by Stam and his injury co-incided with a bad run. Never really had a chance since (partly due to injuries)
Great for both for both parties as Millwall absolutely play to his strengths.
Wish him well
Actually was thinking the opposite, he is not good in the air for a big player (where the ball spends most of its time at Millwall) and his hold up play is generally poor ....yes he'll run all day but in all honesty he could have found a better club.
Seems a top bloke though so really hope it works out for him.
Haven't Millwall also signed Matt Smith?
If that is the case he would probably be the main target man with Bod either playing alongside or out wide.
by Hound » 12 Jul 2019 18:34
ZipHound Scrap that. Just had a look myself. Seemed like he started in 1 of a spell of 15 games (19th Sept through to 31st Dec). Suspect had he not scored a hatrick on his return to a starting spot he’d have stayed on the bench as well
So think posters are within their rights to suggest Stam under-played him tbh.
This is my recollection too. He rarely started under Stam. Even when he did score it wasn’t enough for him to start in the following game.
by Hound » 12 Jul 2019 18:36
Denver Royal 1. Has anyone questioned anybody's rights?
2. I was showing a case could be made that he was under-played by the other 3 managers too).
3. I think he was under-played by Stam in Dec myself, and said so.
by Denver Royal » 12 Jul 2019 18:40
Zip This is my recollection too. Even when he did score it wasn’t enough for him to start in the following game.
by Zip » 12 Jul 2019 18:44
HoundZipHound Scrap that. Just had a look myself. Seemed like he started in 1 of a spell of 15 games (19th Sept through to 31st Dec). Suspect had he not scored a hatrick on his return to a starting spot he’d have stayed on the bench as well
So think posters are within their rights to suggest Stam under-played him tbh.
This is my recollection too. He rarely started under Stam. Even when he did score it wasn’t enough for him to start in the following game.
Also bear in mind that last Stam 10 games he scored 7 goals, starting with the hatrick and a vital double against Burton. Stam would have been insane to drop him
And in the first half of the season rather than play Bod, he started without a striker at all - favouring 3 wingers
So it’s perfectly justifiable criticism imo
by Zip » 12 Jul 2019 18:48
Denver RoyalZip This is my recollection too. Even when he did score it wasn’t enough for him to start in the following game.
Scored in 7 games for Stam, and started the next game 4 times.
by URZZZZ » 12 Jul 2019 18:50
ZipHoundZip
This is my recollection too. He rarely started under Stam. Even when he did score it wasn’t enough for him to start in the following game.
Also bear in mind that last Stam 10 games he scored 7 goals, starting with the hatrick and a vital double against Burton. Stam would have been insane to drop him
And in the first half of the season rather than play Bod, he started without a striker at all - favouring 3 wingers
So it’s perfectly justifiable criticism imo
I was going to say this. I recall both GMac and Beerens being played up front on separate occasions but was Bod injured at the time?
by Zip » 12 Jul 2019 18:54
URZZZZZipHound
Also bear in mind that last Stam 10 games he scored 7 goals, starting with the hatrick and a vital double against Burton. Stam would have been insane to drop him
And in the first half of the season rather than play Bod, he started without a striker at all - favouring 3 wingers
So it’s perfectly justifiable criticism imo
I was going to say this. I recall both GMac and Beerens being played up front on separate occasions but was Bod injured at the time?
This is how I remembered it. Bod started against Bristol, when everyone was hyped about the season, just signed Aluko etc...he missed two absolute sitters. Week later he started against Brentford, was really poor and Beerens had one of his best games in a reading shirt when he came on for Bod at half time
So I suppose at that time, it made sense to leave Bod on the bench. But then we played Hull with a “false nine”, with Beerens and McCleary rotating up frint and it was pathetic. Bod came off the bench and scored and that should have been the time to abandon the fluid front three nonsense. But he didn’t and we looked toothless for a few games without a striker (even with him being available)
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