by Millsy » 13 Aug 2019 10:16
by CountryRoyal » 13 Aug 2019 10:44
StellaPlease You're thought from the age of 5 to cover your near post.
The guy is shit.
by WestYorksRoyal » 13 Aug 2019 10:45
by Zip » 13 Aug 2019 11:09
WestYorksRoyal Anyone think our next 3 are tough? In particular WBA. 5 defeats in 5 perfectly possible. Hopefully we can kick into gear tonight.
CountryRoyalStellaPlease You're thought from the age of 5 to cover your near post.
The guy is shit.
Football is amazing how it can be so divisive. Just like Gunter i find it incredible how so many people can see things so differently.
Virginia has been very very poor and I find it baffling people can say otherwise if they watch the same thing
by Zip » 13 Aug 2019 11:13
The Enfield Royal71 Well he isn't shit otherwise he wouldn't be a Premier League footballer would he.
by The Enfield Royal71 » 13 Aug 2019 11:23
CountryRoyalStellaPlease You're thought from the age of 5 to cover your near post.
The guy is shit.
Football is amazing how it can be so divisive. Just like Gunter i find it incredible how so many people can see things so differently.
Virginia has been very very poor and I find it baffling people can say otherwise if they watch the same thing
by CountryRoyal » 13 Aug 2019 12:26
The Enfield Royal71CountryRoyalStellaPlease You're thought from the age of 5 to cover your near post.
The guy is shit.
Football is amazing how it can be so divisive. Just like Gunter i find it incredible how so many people can see things so differently.
Virginia has been very very poor and I find it baffling people can say otherwise if they watch the same thing
I suppose some of us have an eye for the finer points in football and look beyond a 19 year old kid making a mistake and start frothing at the mouth.
by Snowflake Royal » 13 Aug 2019 13:02
2 world wars, 1 world cupNewCorkSethyuomi
Much easier to stick with a keeper who has 400+ appearances and a half-decent CV showing him having come good in the past than pin your hopes on a teenager whose conceded 5 goals in his first 2 professional games.
How many goals did De Gea concede in his first 2 professional starts?
3 it looks like, and at a younger age.
I think the issue with Virginia, no matter how good he may be one day, is that he's a 19 year old kid, which will always be a problem for some. Fine for a feisty energetic outfield player but keepers tend to peak late 20s to mid 30s. Needs a lot of experience to inspire confidence in his defence and command the area, not to mention do the basics over and over again like homework so it's second nature.
If he was 29 instead of 19 we might be a bit more forgiving. His fumbles thus far are confirming our biases that we can't go letting a kid get experience in such an important position for us, unless he shows very very soon that he's something quite spectacular.
by Hound » 13 Aug 2019 13:34
CountryRoyalThe Enfield Royal71CountryRoyal
Football is amazing how it can be so divisive. Just like Gunter i find it incredible how so many people can see things so differently.
Virginia has been very very poor and I find it baffling people can say otherwise if they watch the same thing
I suppose some of us have an eye for the finer points in football and look beyond a 19 year old kid making a mistake and start frothing at the mouth.
The fact he is 19 has nothing to do with it. Him letting in 4 goals imho he should have done significantly better on, on the other hand, does. I was very critical of Al-Habsi when he was shit, what excuse are we using for that? That he's brown? Grow the oxf*rd up, people can think someone has played badly based purely on the fact that they played badly, we don't all need an excuse or some obscure unrelated reason to think so. It's not some big conspiracy.
by NewCorkSeth » 13 Aug 2019 13:35
HoundCountryRoyalThe Enfield Royal71
I suppose some of us have an eye for the finer points in football and look beyond a 19 year old kid making a mistake and start frothing at the mouth.
The fact he is 19 has nothing to do with it. Him letting in 4 goals imho he should have done significantly better on, on the other hand, does. I was very critical of Al-Habsi when he was shit, what excuse are we using for that? That he's brown? Grow the oxf*rd up, people can think someone has played badly based purely on the fact that they played badly, we don't all need an excuse or some obscure unrelated reason to think so. It's not some big conspiracy.
I don’t disagree with the overall sentiment that JV isn’t inspiring confidence - but 4 of the 5 goals? Really? Hull 1st obvs, can see João’s and at a big push the weds first - but either of the headers?
by Snowball » 13 Aug 2019 13:43
HoundCountryRoyalThe Enfield Royal71
I suppose some of us have an eye for the finer points in football and look beyond a 19 year old kid making a mistake and start frothing at the mouth.
The fact he is 19 has nothing to do with it. Him letting in 4 goals imho he should have done significantly better on, on the other hand, does. I was very critical of Al-Habsi when he was shit, what excuse are we using for that? That he's brown? Grow the oxf*rd up, people can think someone has played badly based purely on the fact that they played badly, we don't all need an excuse or some obscure unrelated reason to think so. It's not some big conspiracy.
I don’t disagree with the overall sentiment that JV isn’t inspiring confidence - but 4 of the 5 goals? Really? Hull 1st obvs, can see João’s and at a big push the weds first - but either of the headers?
by CountryRoyal » 13 Aug 2019 14:11
Hound I don’t disagree with the overall sentiment that JV isn’t inspiring confidence - but 4 of the 5 goals? Really? Hull 1st obvs, can see João’s and at a big push the weds first - but either of the headers?
by NewCorkSeth » 13 Aug 2019 14:22
CountryRoyalHound I don’t disagree with the overall sentiment that JV isn’t inspiring confidence - but 4 of the 5 goals? Really? Hull 1st obvs, can see João’s and at a big push the weds first - but either of the headers?
I felt having got down and a decent amount on Wednesdays first he should have done better, the header imho went straight through him and the replay made it look better than it was. The third was initially good play by joao but the effort was scuffed and Virginia very slow to get across. Then obviously the near post at Hull.
Who knows maybe I’m just missing Martinez - who I would suggest saves all 4.
by CountryRoyal » 13 Aug 2019 14:26
NewCorkSethCountryRoyalHound I don’t disagree with the overall sentiment that JV isn’t inspiring confidence - but 4 of the 5 goals? Really? Hull 1st obvs, can see João’s and at a big push the weds first - but either of the headers?
I felt having got down and a decent amount on Wednesdays first he should have done better, the header imho went straight through him and the replay made it look better than it was. The third was initially good play by joao but the effort was scuffed and Virginia very slow to get across. Then obviously the near post at Hull.
Who knows maybe I’m just missing Martinez - who I would suggest saves all 4.
And scored the winner.
by Denver Royal » 13 Aug 2019 14:33
Snowball Everton rate him a lot
I would be very tempted to give him one more outing (tonight) because if he's dropped now, it will be a long road back.
by NewCorkSeth » 13 Aug 2019 16:29
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I felt having got down and a decent amount on Wednesdays first he should have done better, the header imho went straight through him and the replay made it look better than it was. The third was initially good play by joao but the effort was scuffed and Virginia very slow to get across. Then obviously the near post at Hull.
Who knows maybe I’m just missing Martinez - who I would suggest saves all 4.
And scored the winner.
Then rescues a cat from a tree and round house kicks Donald Trump to the face.
He truly is a god amongst men
by Nameless » 13 Aug 2019 16:41
Denver RoyalSnowball Everton rate him a lot
I would be very tempted to give him one more outing (tonight) because if he's dropped now, it will be a long road back.
Snowy, I hear ya.
We're in the (ruthless) business of trying to win football games. The question is whether he currently gives us the best chance of doing so.
If he does, then he should continue. If he doesn't, then he sits, just like other players at the club are now doing.
Everton's rating of him can be what it is. We have to go on what we see and our own experiences in our division. For all we know, Everton could release him next season.
I'm unaware we're under any obligation to Everton to play him, and we gave them no such assurances pursuant to that. (Or at least, I hope not?)
by Millsy » 13 Aug 2019 17:12
Denver RoyalSnowball Everton rate him a lot
I would be very tempted to give him one more outing (tonight) because if he's dropped now, it will be a long road back.
Snowy, I hear ya.
We're in the (ruthless) business of trying to win football games.
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