by NewCorkSeth »
15 Dec 2019 14:14
Snowflake Royal NewCorkSeth Snowflake Royal You call the defence calamitous and are surprised we don't concede more. I'm saying we concede what I expect because the defence simply isn't calamitous.
I don't see how you can call the defence calamitous because one player in one game had a low pass success. That's not defending for a start.
You said we made errors in those games, but you can't actually reference one. Personally, if I couldn't think of a single example, I don't see how I could say they happened. Hardly the definition of calamitous.
You're doing that annoying thing again where you choose 1 word and run with it out of context. I said our defence is, AT TIMES, calamitous. Not our defending. Our defence. A player completing just over 1 in 3 of his passes is awful. It doesnt have to have anything to do with defending because I didnt say our defending was the problem.
I said I think it would be a struggle to name a game one of our defenders didnt make a mistake. Someone naming games isnt proof a mistake didnt happen. If you are going to say I cant say we probably made mistakes in those games then you cant say we probably didnt make mistakes on those games. Cuts both ways.
Calm down.
You think our defence is a problem. I don't. You're surprised we haven't conceded more, I'm not. That's not nit picking one word.
I didn't say our defence didn't make mistakes either. I think they make a fairly normal number of normal mistakes. You think they make disproportionately many serious mistakes. If you want to assert that, you ought to be able to bring up examples.
We're on the subject of defence, errors and goals against.
How is that not about defending and conceding...
My original comment can be summarised as "I am surprised when looking at the results other teams have gotten against each other that we have done as well as we have considering our defenders are sometimes very bad".
There is nothing wrong with that statement. My inability to point to each individual error is an awful argument. I don't have instant recall.
You think our defence is a problem. I don't.That's great but I didn't say that did I? At any point.
You think they make disproportionately many serious mistakes. If you want to assert that, you ought to be able to bring up examples.Well I didn't say that either did I? I said "I reckon we would struggle to find a game so far this season where one of our defenders didn't make a massive error". Naming games we played well doesn't mean there were no mistakes from any defenders in them. Can you state with certainty there was no mistakes made by any of our defenders that, on another day, would have been a goal?
I point out in one of the named games that for every 1 pass Obita completed to a teammate nearly 2 went either to the opposition or out of play and that doesn't count to you because "It's not defending". It doesn't have to be. A defender misplaying a pass that leads to a goal isn't a defensive error. It's an error that happened in defence. Was, in your opinion, the goal conceded against Barnsley a error in defending? In my book its a defensive error but it had oxf*rd all to do with defending. There was no defending to be done. It is pretty clear that saying defenders make mistakes does not only apply to defending just like if I were to say our attacking players make mistakes it would not only apply to attacking. Seriously, you cant actually have trouble seeing that.
Like McCleary fouling in front of the box the other week against Birmingham. That's a defensive error but hes not a defender.