by Franchise FC » 19 Feb 2020 20:28
by paultheroyal » 20 Feb 2020 12:48
by Franchise FC » 20 Feb 2020 13:27
paultheroyal Apologies if mentioned but is VAR in operation around the world? Do they not have the same issues?
by paultheroyal » 20 Feb 2020 14:50
Tails Notice the Wales v France game today, contentious decision as to whether France deliberately knock on. Decision was that it wasn’t, disagreement in the studio but everyone was able to move on and not wet the bed about it.
A decision was made, people have disagreed, but move on. It hasn’t affected the result has it?
Tails Notice the Wales v France game today, contentious decision as to whether France deliberately knock on. Decision was that it wasn’t, disagreement in the studio but everyone was able to move on and not wet the bed about it.
A decision was made, people have disagreed, but move on. It hasn’t affected the result has it?
by Franchise FC » 23 Feb 2020 07:29
Tails Aye, but the pundits and pros don’t make a meal of it and thus the narrative is a lot more palatable to watch as a spectacle.
The football coverage is just so much less appealing when you have those decisions coupled with Garth Crooks going off for 10 minutes.
Sure the rule makers can reflect on lessons learned on a macro level, and the officials should have a review of their decisions on a micro level (and use of VAR in making those decisions). Pundits and pros can provide constructive comments but keep the majority of the analysis on the football.
by South Coast Royal » 23 Feb 2020 15:00
Old Man Andrews Farcical stuff, it really is. Best league in the world??
by South Coast Royal » 23 Feb 2020 17:09
Franchise FCTails Aye, but the pundits and pros don’t make a meal of it and thus the narrative is a lot more palatable to watch as a spectacle.
The football coverage is just so much less appealing when you have those decisions coupled with Garth Crooks going off for 10 minutes.
Sure the rule makers can reflect on lessons learned on a macro level, and the officials should have a review of their decisions on a micro level (and use of VAR in making those decisions). Pundits and pros can provide constructive comments but keep the majority of the analysis on the football.
The major difference is that the TMO ‘controversies’ seem significantly lower in number. So much so, that this incident this weekend is so out of the ordinary.
With football, and there’s a large number just from yesterday, the use of VAR was supposed to get rid of the controversy. It’s done nothing of the sort.
What is is showing is that, far from being a human error issue with referees, they really are not very good. The two red card incidents this week, the two ridiculous handball incidents in one game yesterday (Burnley/Bournemouth not Leicester/ManCity, although that had a couple of debatable)
How can anyone support a system that can look at incidents multiple times, then 20 minutes later decide, ‘Sorry guys, got that one wrong’ ?
by Franchise FC » 23 Feb 2020 19:09
NamelessFranchise FCTails Aye, but the pundits and pros don’t make a meal of it and thus the narrative is a lot more palatable to watch as a spectacle.
The football coverage is just so much less appealing when you have those decisions coupled with Garth Crooks going off for 10 minutes.
Sure the rule makers can reflect on lessons learned on a macro level, and the officials should have a review of their decisions on a micro level (and use of VAR in making those decisions). Pundits and pros can provide constructive comments but keep the majority of the analysis on the football.
The major difference is that the TMO ‘controversies’ seem significantly lower in number. So much so, that this incident this weekend is so out of the ordinary.
With football, and there’s a large number just from yesterday, the use of VAR was supposed to get rid of the controversy. It’s done nothing of the sort.
What is is showing is that, far from being a human error issue with referees, they really are not very good. The two red card incidents this week, the two ridiculous handball incidents in one game yesterday (Burnley/Bournemouth not Leicester/ManCity, although that had a couple of debatable)
How can anyone support a system that can look at incidents multiple times, then 20 minutes later decide, ‘Sorry guys, got that one wrong’ ?
VAR isn’t the issue. The issue is the complete lack of any ethical principles in football. Zero respect for officials, zero respect for your opponent. There would be no need for VAR if there was a healthy attitude in the game that said ‘we ask officials to referee honestly and without bias, but we recognise they are not perfect and will make mistakes’. Officiating in sport is much easier if the players are honest and don’t constantly try to cheat. Of course you want officials to be the best they can but football is fundamentally unsuited to the use of VAR from a technical and an ethical stand point.
Sports where VAR works use it to essentially make decisions on matters of fact but football officiating is largely opinion based, not fact based.
Franchise FCNamelessFranchise FC The major difference is that the TMO ‘controversies’ seem significantly lower in number. So much so, that this incident this weekend is so out of the ordinary.
With football, and there’s a large number just from yesterday, the use of VAR was supposed to get rid of the controversy. It’s done nothing of the sort.
What is is showing is that, far from being a human error issue with referees, they really are not very good. The two red card incidents this week, the two ridiculous handball incidents in one game yesterday (Burnley/Bournemouth not Leicester/ManCity, although that had a couple of debatable)
How can anyone support a system that can look at incidents multiple times, then 20 minutes later decide, ‘Sorry guys, got that one wrong’ ?
VAR isn’t the issue. The issue is the complete lack of any ethical principles in football. Zero respect for officials, zero respect for your opponent. There would be no need for VAR if there was a healthy attitude in the game that said ‘we ask officials to referee honestly and without bias, but we recognise they are not perfect and will make mistakes’. Officiating in sport is much easier if the players are honest and don’t constantly try to cheat. Of course you want officials to be the best they can but football is fundamentally unsuited to the use of VAR from a technical and an ethical stand point.
Sports where VAR works use it to essentially make decisions on matters of fact but football officiating is largely opinion based, not fact based.
That's absolutely correct.
The problem that needs to be solved is that the football administrators want to start with grass roots when that's the exact opposite of what is needed.
Instil the discipline at the top level and the kids will follow. Try from the other end and the kids will just point to the 'stars' and say 'Well, they get away with it'
Why, oh why, won't the laws concerning things like dissent use some of the laws from other sports.
Show dissent, take the ball forward 10 yards for the other team (include in that not retreating at a free kick).
If that takes the ball into the penalty area, then give a penalty. Carry on and award a penalty goal.
I'm willing to bet that the disrespect would stop very, very quickly.
It would also mean fewer yellow cards for dissent and there would be no need. A penalty goal is significantly more damaging than taking a yellow card.
And before some bright spark says 'They've tried that'. Well, no they really haven't. Last time it was take the ball 10 yards AND book the perpetrator. Don't bother with the booking at all.
It could also work for wasting time at a restart. Take too much time, then switch the decision to the opposition. I would include swapping a goal kick for a corner.
To me it sounds so simple and seems to be so effective. But no, let's have a system that the referees clearly cannot manage properly and which does little to stop the controversies.
by Franchise FC » 23 Feb 2020 21:02
NamelessFranchise FCNameless
VAR isn’t the issue. The issue is the complete lack of any ethical principles in football. Zero respect for officials, zero respect for your opponent. There would be no need for VAR if there was a healthy attitude in the game that said ‘we ask officials to referee honestly and without bias, but we recognise they are not perfect and will make mistakes’. Officiating in sport is much easier if the players are honest and don’t constantly try to cheat. Of course you want officials to be the best they can but football is fundamentally unsuited to the use of VAR from a technical and an ethical stand point.
Sports where VAR works use it to essentially make decisions on matters of fact but football officiating is largely opinion based, not fact based.
That's absolutely correct.
The problem that needs to be solved is that the football administrators want to start with grass roots when that's the exact opposite of what is needed.
Instil the discipline at the top level and the kids will follow. Try from the other end and the kids will just point to the 'stars' and say 'Well, they get away with it'
Why, oh why, won't the laws concerning things like dissent use some of the laws from other sports.
Show dissent, take the ball forward 10 yards for the other team (include in that not retreating at a free kick).
If that takes the ball into the penalty area, then give a penalty. Carry on and award a penalty goal.
I'm willing to bet that the disrespect would stop very, very quickly.
It would also mean fewer yellow cards for dissent and there would be no need. A penalty goal is significantly more damaging than taking a yellow card.
And before some bright spark says 'They've tried that'. Well, no they really haven't. Last time it was take the ball 10 yards AND book the perpetrator. Don't bother with the booking at all.
It could also work for wasting time at a restart. Take too much time, then switch the decision to the opposition. I would include swapping a goal kick for a corner.
To me it sounds so simple and seems to be so effective. But no, let's have a system that the referees clearly cannot manage properly and which does little to stop the controversies.
I love some of the changes hockey made and an experiment in football would be interesting. Granted they weren’t made to solve a discipline issue but nonetheless. Th8ngs like you can take a free kick to yourself and wherever you have the ball. Huge advantage in just cracking on and restarting straightaway without this nonsense about getting the ball on the exact spot and stopping players encroaching. It’s also an offence for a defender to play the ball after the whistle has gone, so you don’t knock the ball away or pick it up and stop the hit being taken. I’d do the same in football, touch the ball after the whistle and the kick goes forward 10 yards.
Rather than moving the ball forward for dissent I would have 5 minute suspensions. Imagine if 4 players surround the ref and he gives them all 5 mins in the naughty step ! The rule requiring minimum numbers on the pitch would not apply. I reckon dissent would stop over night !
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