by Royals and Racers » 26 Feb 2020 09:17
by John Madejski's Wallet » 26 Feb 2020 11:41
by Sanguine » 26 Feb 2020 12:18
by 6ft Kerplunk » 26 Feb 2020 12:31
by Sanguine » 26 Feb 2020 12:34
Old Man Andrews Sanguine in wet blanket shocker!
You have clearly never ever played the game to any great degree or have any qualifications in coaching. Why don't we just ban children from playing football altogether then? A child could break their leg whilst running on the pitch.
Dementia is high in former footballers (ones in their 70's and 80's) due to the weight of the balls they used and the fact the balls used to soak up moisture to make them even heavier.
SanguineOld Man Andrews Sanguine in wet blanket shocker!
You have clearly never ever played the game to any great degree or have any qualifications in coaching. Why don't we just ban children from playing football altogether then? A child could break their leg whilst running on the pitch.
Dementia is high in former footballers (ones in their 70's and 80's) due to the weight of the balls they used and the fact the balls used to soak up moisture to make them even heavier.
It was noted on another thread that you tend to 'discuss' things like a 13 year old, and you've done it again here.
Firstly, concern for head injuries and considering player safety doesn't amount to being 'a wet blanket'. Second, noting that a study has specifically recommended research into the causes of dementia is sensible. Third, I've just broadly supported banning heading of the ball in training sessions for kids, not for all, and not in matches, which I wouldn't support and would change the game - this has nothing to do with removing all risk (so no idea what your childish and facetious point about broken legs was), but reducing a risk indicated by the prevalence of head injury in former players.
Neat edit, by the way. Do you ever think before you type?
by URZZZZ » 26 Feb 2020 12:58
Old Man AndrewsSanguineOld Man Andrews Sanguine in wet blanket shocker!
You have clearly never ever played the game to any great degree or have any qualifications in coaching. Why don't we just ban children from playing football altogether then? A child could break their leg whilst running on the pitch.
Dementia is high in former footballers (ones in their 70's and 80's) due to the weight of the balls they used and the fact the balls used to soak up moisture to make them even heavier.
It was noted on another thread that you tend to 'discuss' things like a 13 year old, and you've done it again here.
Firstly, concern for head injuries and considering player safety doesn't amount to being 'a wet blanket'. Second, noting that a study has specifically recommended research into the causes of dementia is sensible. Third, I've just broadly supported banning heading of the ball in training sessions for kids, not for all, and not in matches, which I wouldn't support and would change the game - this has nothing to do with removing all risk (so no idea what your childish and facetious point about broken legs was), but reducing a risk indicated by the prevalence of head injury in former players.
Neat edit, by the way. Do you ever think before you type?
You're a massive wet blanket, yes. I removed it because I didn't want to be rude but seemingly you want me to be so I'll oblige.
If you're that concerned why do you not want heading to be banned completely in all levels of the game? You're that concerned apparently? You're more likely to head the ball in matches than in training so again why not ban it altogether?
URZZZZOld Man AndrewsSanguine
It was noted on another thread that you tend to 'discuss' things like a 13 year old, and you've done it again here.
Firstly, concern for head injuries and considering player safety doesn't amount to being 'a wet blanket'. Second, noting that a study has specifically recommended research into the causes of dementia is sensible. Third, I've just broadly supported banning heading of the ball in training sessions for kids, not for all, and not in matches, which I wouldn't support and would change the game - this has nothing to do with removing all risk (so no idea what your childish and facetious point about broken legs was), but reducing a risk indicated by the prevalence of head injury in former players.
Neat edit, by the way. Do you ever think before you type?
You're a massive wet blanket, yes. I removed it because I didn't want to be rude but seemingly you want me to be so I'll oblige.
If you're that concerned why do you not want heading to be banned completely in all levels of the game? You're that concerned apparently? You're more likely to head the ball in matches than in training so again why not ban it altogether?
At a young age, you want to encourage children to play it on the ground and avoid bad practices
by Sanguine » 26 Feb 2020 13:24
Sanguine We don't know enough about the link to dementia yet, so a blanket ban (in say, training) at all levels would seem over the top. But given an apparent increase in incidence of the disease amongst people who have played the game professionally (i.e. every day for 20 years), it makes sense to at least take some stops to reduce risk for young players, not least given that their bodies and brains are still developing.
That doesn't make me a wet blanket. Do you realise you can disagree with someone without insulting them?
by Sanguine » 26 Feb 2020 13:33
Old Man Andrews But my point is it doesn't negate the risk because heading is still allowed in proper games. They either had to blanket ban it or allow it at all times perhaps with extra advice sent to clubs and coaches relating to the risks associated to heading.
I removed my insult, you then referenced it in your original reply. Wet blanket is hardly an insult is it? I'll rephrase, you're very overly cautious.
by URZZZZ » 26 Feb 2020 13:35
SanguineOld Man Andrews But my point is it doesn't negate the risk because heading is still allowed in proper games. They either had to blanket ban it or allow it at all times perhaps with extra advice sent to clubs and coaches relating to the risks associated to heading.
I removed my insult, you then referenced it in your original reply. Wet blanket is hardly an insult is it? I'll rephrase, you're very overly cautious.
It isn't heading a ball at all that is supposed to cause long-term injury, it is the repetition that goes with heading a ball hundreds and thousands of times over a few years - same as injuries emerging after boxing careers, or recent higher incidences of head injuries emerging in former NFL players. If you remove the frequency of heading in training sessions you lower the overall volume impact, is the theory.
It's not about eliminating risk, it's about reducing it.
My point about the 'insult' was that, again, you are personalising something. Play the ball, not the man (and not with your head, for safety reasons).
by Zip » 26 Feb 2020 13:41
by Hendo » 26 Feb 2020 13:45
by BR0B0T » 26 Feb 2020 16:03
John Madejski's Wallet Don't agree with it myself as my personal feeling is that the data is flawed. As it often is in such retrospective studies.
Totally making that up, so happy to be corrected
Surely one way to make sure you head the ball badly is to never practice how to do it properlyl?
by John Madejski's Wallet » 27 Feb 2020 10:21
BR0B0TJohn Madejski's Wallet Don't agree with it myself as my personal feeling is that the data is flawed. As it often is in such retrospective studies.
Totally making that up, so happy to be corrected
Surely one way to make sure you head the ball badly is to never practice how to do it properlyl?
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by Sanguine » 27 Feb 2020 11:12
John Madejski's Wallet Worry about apples, ban pears
by stealthpapes » 27 Feb 2020 14:13
My tuppence:
-The people in this study (which hasn't even thought about proving a link) grew up heading a ball that was a fukk of a lot different to the modern ones. Worry about apples, ban pears
Over a median of 18 years, 1180 former soccer players (15.4%) and 3807 controls (16.5%) died. All-cause mortality was lower among former players than among controls up to the age of 70 years and was higher thereafter. Mortality from ischemic heart disease was lower among former players than among controls (hazard ratio, 0.80; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.66 to 0.97; P=0.02), as was mortality from lung cancer (hazard ratio, 0.53; 95% CI, 0.40 to 0.70; P<0.001). Mortality with neurodegenerative disease listed as the primary cause was 1.7% among former soccer players and 0.5% among controls (subhazard ratio [the hazard ratio adjusted for competing risks of death from ischemic heart disease and death from any cancer], 3.45; 95% CI, 2.11 to 5.62; P<0.001). Among former players, mortality with neurodegenerative disease listed as the primary or a contributory cause on the death certificate varied according to disease subtype and was highest among those with Alzheimer’s disease (hazard ratio [former players vs. controls], 5.07; 95% CI, 2.92 to 8.82; P<0.001) and lowest among those with Parkinson’s disease (hazard ratio, 2.15; 95% CI, 1.17 to 3.96; P=0.01). Dementia-related medications were prescribed more frequently to former players than to controls (odds ratio, 4.90; 95% CI, 3.81 to 6.31; P<0.001). Mortality with neurodegenerative disease listed as the primary or a contributory cause did not differ significantly between goalkeepers and outfield players (hazard ratio, 0.73; 95% CI, 0.43 to 1.24; P=0.24), but dementia-related medications were prescribed less frequently to goalkeepers (odds ratio, 0.41; 95% CI, 0.19 to 0.89; P=0.02).
Persons born before January 1, 1977, were eligible for inclusion in the study.
We compared the outcomes in this cohort with those of matched controls from the general population
Republic of Ireland striker Kevin Doyle has retired because of "repeated headaches" caused by heading the ball.
The 34-year-old forward, who had been playing for American Major League Soccer side Colorado Rapids, won 63 caps for his country.
Doyle said he wanted "to avoid the possibility of these symptoms becoming more serious and permanent".
The ex-Reading and Wolves player made the decision having suffered "numerous" concussions over his 15-year career.
"This year it has been clear to me that heading the ball was becoming problematic and causing me to have repeated headaches,"
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