by Royal Rother » 14 Oct 2020 21:51
by Ascotexgunner » 14 Oct 2020 21:54
Old Man Andrews That was utterly shite. Southgate clearly has no authority, the players do whatever they like, behave like morons on and off the pitch and he makes really odd substitutions. Out of his depth.
by Zip » 14 Oct 2020 21:55
by Royal Rother » 14 Oct 2020 22:01
Zip Some ridiculous comments re Southgate on here. Judge him on the major tournaments where to date he has done very well.
Zip Some ridiculous comments re Southgate on here. Judge him on the major tournaments where to date he has done very well.
by Zip » 14 Oct 2020 22:07
Royal RotherZip Some ridiculous comments re Southgate on here. Judge him on the major tournaments where to date he has done very well.
That’s history. Judge on what is happening now.
The job has changed him and his approach. There’s no going back.
by Ascotexgunner » 14 Oct 2020 22:09
Zip Some ridiculous comments re Southgate on here. Judge him on the major tournaments where to date he has done very well.
by Zip » 14 Oct 2020 22:13
AscotexgunnerZip Some ridiculous comments re Southgate on here. Judge him on the major tournaments where to date he has done very well.
TBF that WC England had a pretty easy run to the semi but as the above said, they seemed to be playing safe and within themselves. Come the semi v Croatia, the first really tough game, they had Croatia on the ropes, scored the goal, then went out with a wimper and back to the "safe" game and didn't even look like scoring again.
Good managers lead from the bench. Same will happen at the next tournament as well when they play a quality side. I don't think Southgate has the expertise to cope with all the talent they have at their disposal.
by Ascotexgunner » 14 Oct 2020 22:18
ZipAscotexgunnerZip Some ridiculous comments re Southgate on here. Judge him on the major tournaments where to date he has done very well.
TBF that WC England had a pretty easy run to the semi but as the above said, they seemed to be playing safe and within themselves. Come the semi v Croatia, the first really tough game, they had Croatia on the ropes, scored the goal, then went out with a wimper and back to the "safe" game and didn't even look like scoring again.
Good managers lead from the bench. Same will happen at the next tournament as well when they play a quality side. I don't think Southgate has the expertise to cope with all the talent they have at their disposal.
Don’t agree with the not scoring again bit v Croatia. Harry Kane missed a sitter just before half time. It should have been 2-0 and game over. Just look at Southgate’s overall record. Denmark are one of the most streetwise teams in world football. They always go under the radar.
Let’s judge Southgate at the Euros when it will really count.
by Zip » 14 Oct 2020 22:25
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TBF that WC England had a pretty easy run to the semi but as the above said, they seemed to be playing safe and within themselves. Come the semi v Croatia, the first really tough game, they had Croatia on the ropes, scored the goal, then went out with a wimper and back to the "safe" game and didn't even look like scoring again.
Good managers lead from the bench. Same will happen at the next tournament as well when they play a quality side. I don't think Southgate has the expertise to cope with all the talent they have at their disposal.
Don’t agree with the not scoring again bit v Croatia. Harry Kane missed a sitter just before half time. It should have been 2-0 and game over. Just look at Southgate’s overall record. Denmark are one of the most streetwise teams in world football. They always go under the radar.
Let’s judge Southgate at the Euros when it will really count.
I'm not saying get rid of him, but next year's Euros I think maybe the true test of which way this team are heading under him. I prefer the Euros to the WC, as I think it's a lot harder. There are no Panama's and the quality that didn't qualify for the WC like Italy and Holland will be there.
by URZZZZ » 15 Oct 2020 01:08
Royal Rother Bit knee-jerk but I’m done with Southgate now.
Pathetic management from start to finish. Leaving Grealish on the bench in a situation where we needed someone to create something / anything by taking players on was brainless. Mount did nothing. Rashford did nothing. He needed to completely change the dynamic at HT and should have brought on Grealish and Sancho but did nothing. Playing an obviously out of sorts Maguire was daft. Bringing on Henderson as a last roll of the dice was hopeless.
Where is the expansive, exciting football we played when he 1st came in? Now he’s made his mark he’s going down the same path they all do - too scared to lose, so plays it “safe”.
From here on in, it is going to get worse under Southgate. I’ve seen it so many times - he won’t change so we will continue to go backwards.
Such a shame.
Mind you, the ref was even worse.
by URZZZZ » 15 Oct 2020 01:11
Old Man AndrewsZip Some ridiculous comments re Southgate on here. Judge him on the major tournaments where to date he has done very well.
How well did we actually do? Easy group, lucky against Colombia, failed when it mattered against a very beatable Croatia. We weren't great at the World Cup if you look at all the games individually.
Southgate doesn't need sacking just yet but he has really shown a lot of chinks in the armour recently. Really poor squad selection and terrible in game substitutions.
by Sanguine » 15 Oct 2020 09:12
by bcubed » 15 Oct 2020 12:05
Sanguine Lots of revisionism in respect of how we were playing under Southgate, which was expansive and exciting football. But it has disappeared, for reasons I don't really understand. Mount over Grealish, not least given current form, I will never understand. And at a time where we have been missing Raheem Sterling to injury, Sancho played just 18 minutes across the two games for which he was available. I also fail to understand the obsession with Rice - if we're going to go with a functional but unexciting engine in midfield then we already have the best exponent of that in Jordan Henderson.
Maguire clearly needs a rest - his problems are two-fold, 1) he isn't an £80m defender, he is an over-priced £30m defender who is now out of form, and 2) his head is fcuked following the Mykonos stuff. Give the guy a break. Southgate needs to switch to 4 at the back - two centre-backs out of Gomez, Mings, Coady, and James Tarkowski who has arguably been the most consistent English centre-back of the last two seasons.
Henderson
A-A
Gomez/Tarkowski
Mings
Chilwell
Henderson
Phillips (quietly very effective in my view)
Grealish
Sterling
Kane
Rashford/Sancho
appears to be our best available side. So let's pick it. And we're spoilt to have the likes of James, Saka, Rice, Mount, Coady, Maitland-Niles, Greenwood, Ox, Maddison etc in reserve.
by South Coast Royal » 15 Oct 2020 13:47
by Sanguine » 15 Oct 2020 14:00
by South Coast Royal » 15 Oct 2020 16:29
by bcubed » 15 Oct 2020 17:53
Sanguine That last bit is what is most surprising Vic - that last year we were playing decent, attacking football and Southgate genuinely looked like the right man to take this exciting group of players forward. I don't really understand where his change in approach has come from.
It's a cliche about players getting better when they aren't involved, but in this case I think Raheem Sterling, if he wasn't already, has become the first name on the England team sheet over the last two weeks.
by Sutekh » 15 Oct 2020 18:08
bcubedSanguine That last bit is what is most surprising Vic - that last year we were playing decent, attacking football and Southgate genuinely looked like the right man to take this exciting group of players forward. I don't really understand where his change in approach has come from.
It's a cliche about players getting better when they aren't involved, but in this case I think Raheem Sterling, if he wasn't already, has become the first name on the England team sheet over the last two weeks.
But he already was the first name imo and the fast attacking football you mentioned revolved around Sterling. We look devoid of ideas without him
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