by Pepe the Horseman » 24 Oct 2020 22:38
by Franchise FC » 25 Oct 2020 08:59
Pepe the Horseman Jesus wept, that Sheff Utd pen. Not a foul and not in the box. Isn't var there to stop shit decisions like that?
by South Coast Royal » 25 Oct 2020 11:10
Pepe the Horseman Jesus wept, that Sheff Utd pen. Not a foul and not in the box. Isn't var there to stop shit decisions like that?
Pepe the Horseman Jesus wept, that Sheff Utd pen. Not a foul and not in the box. Isn't var there to stop shit decisions like that?
URZZZZ Noticed not a single Leicester played appealed for the offside goal tonight for Arsenal
Same old, same old VAR, ridiculous
Sanguine We've ended up in a situation where now instead of referees not being accountable for their decisions, it is VAR that is not. Where is the official statement on the Pickford incident? And the Maguire foul? Where is the acknowledgement that the VAR referee got it wrong? Or an explanation as to why he didn't?
SutekhSanguine We've ended up in a situation where now instead of referees not being accountable for their decisions, it is VAR that is not. Where is the official statement on the Pickford incident? And the Maguire foul? Where is the acknowledgement that the VAR referee got it wrong? Or an explanation as to why he didn't?
It was all so much better when officials simply had to make a snap decision, if they got it wrong after the event you could usually understand why and be more accepting of it.
Now you get these endless camera angles for someone hidden away somewhere to look at and make a subjective decision which often is still not correct (mind you those decisions are also not helped by FIFA continually piddling about by uneccessarily introducing clarification into laws in an effort to clarify things that never really needed clarification until they start the clarification).
Old Man AndrewsSutekhSanguine We've ended up in a situation where now instead of referees not being accountable for their decisions, it is VAR that is not. Where is the official statement on the Pickford incident? And the Maguire foul? Where is the acknowledgement that the VAR referee got it wrong? Or an explanation as to why he didn't?
It was all so much better when officials simply had to make a snap decision, if they got it wrong after the event you could usually understand why and be more accepting of it.
Now you get these endless camera angles for someone hidden away somewhere to look at and make a subjective decision which often is still not correct (mind you those decisions are also not helped by FIFA continually piddling about by uneccessarily introducing clarification into laws in an effort to clarify things that never really needed clarification until they start the clarification).
I'd like the VAR referee to only be allowed 30 seconds to make a decision. Have a countdown clock in the corner of the screen or on the stadium screens once supporters are back in the grounds. If a definitive decision cannot be reached in that time then we stay with the on field decision. If something is clear and obvious then it should be established in 30 seconds imo. Lets get rid of the overturning of offside calls that need multiple lines drawn or 3 minutes to decide, that just isn't football.
by Silver Fox » 26 Oct 2020 11:45
by South Coast Royal » 26 Oct 2020 11:47
Sanguine Ooh, a maths question. I like.
There's two things going on with penalties. First, that more are being awarded. Second, that the continual 'refinement' of rules around the penalty kick are making them near impossible to keep out.
So first, number of penalties, 30 so far this season in roughly six rounds of games, which is one every two games.
Broadly there have been on average 90 penalties per season for the last few years, which is less than one every four games.
On success from the spot, 26 of those 30 penalties have been scored, a rate of 87%. Scoring rates in the previous five seasons - 78%, 82%, 70%, 76%, 81%, 76%. 2017-18 a bit of an outlier, so let's say an average success rate of 79%.
So at this stage of the season, after six rounds, you'd expect 14 penalties to have been awarded, and 11 of them scored. So VAR and the rules have 'added' 15 successful penalties.
On to goals. Worth a note that after the international break, goals have settled down with 44 in the 18 games since, more in line with the longer-term average. But that aside, last six seasons in the PL - 2.82 per game, 2.68, 2.80, 2.70, 2.56, 2.76. Average of 2.72 per game. This season, 192 goals in 56 games played so far, 3.43 goals per game.
So against the long-term average, we have seen 40 goals more so far this season than we would have expected, of which 15 may be considered the impact of VAR/rules changes on penalties.
South Coast RoyalSanguine Ooh, a maths question. I like.
There's two things going on with penalties. First, that more are being awarded. Second, that the continual 'refinement' of rules around the penalty kick are making them near impossible to keep out.
So first, number of penalties, 30 so far this season in roughly six rounds of games, which is one every two games.
Broadly there have been on average 90 penalties per season for the last few years, which is less than one every four games.
On success from the spot, 26 of those 30 penalties have been scored, a rate of 87%. Scoring rates in the previous five seasons - 78%, 82%, 70%, 76%, 81%, 76%. 2017-18 a bit of an outlier, so let's say an average success rate of 79%.
So at this stage of the season, after six rounds, you'd expect 14 penalties to have been awarded, and 11 of them scored. So VAR and the rules have 'added' 15 successful penalties.
On to goals. Worth a note that after the international break, goals have settled down with 44 in the 18 games since, more in line with the longer-term average. But that aside, last six seasons in the PL - 2.82 per game, 2.68, 2.80, 2.70, 2.56, 2.76. Average of 2.72 per game. This season, 192 goals in 56 games played so far, 3.43 goals per game.
So against the long-term average, we have seen 40 goals more so far this season than we would have expected, of which 15 may be considered the impact of VAR/rules changes on penalties.
Thanks for the info on penalties scored this season-it has felt each time when watching that a goal will be scored.
It might also be interesting to know how many of the penalty-takers are English because in the past it seems as though both at League and International levels foreign players don't have the hang-ups that we have and expect to score.
Hopefully our lads are getting better so when the big tournaments come around we won't be forever expecting the worst when a penalty shoot-out is about to happen.
by Franchise FC » 26 Oct 2020 12:29
Old Man AndrewsSutekhSanguine We've ended up in a situation where now instead of referees not being accountable for their decisions, it is VAR that is not. Where is the official statement on the Pickford incident? And the Maguire foul? Where is the acknowledgement that the VAR referee got it wrong? Or an explanation as to why he didn't?
It was all so much better when officials simply had to make a snap decision, if they got it wrong after the event you could usually understand why and be more accepting of it.
Now you get these endless camera angles for someone hidden away somewhere to look at and make a subjective decision which often is still not correct (mind you those decisions are also not helped by FIFA continually piddling about by uneccessarily introducing clarification into laws in an effort to clarify things that never really needed clarification until they start the clarification).
I'd like the VAR referee to only be allowed 30 seconds to make a decision. Have a countdown clock in the corner of the screen or on the stadium screens once supporters are back in the grounds. If a definitive decision cannot be reached in that time then we stay with the on field decision. If something is clear and obvious then it should be established in 30 seconds imo. Lets get rid of the overturning of offside calls that need multiple lines drawn or 3 minutes to decide, that just isn't football.
by 6ft Kerplunk » 26 Oct 2020 13:40
South Coast Royal Thanks for the info on penalties scored this season-it has felt each time when watching that a goal will be scored.
Sanguine Ooh, a maths question. I like.
There's two things going on with penalties. First, that more are being awarded. Second, that the continual 'refinement' of rules around the penalty kick are making them near impossible to keep out.
So first, number of penalties, 30 so far this season in roughly six rounds of games, which is one every two games.
Broadly there have been on average 90 penalties per season for the last few years, which is less than one every four games.
On success from the spot, 26 of those 30 penalties have been scored, a rate of 87%. Scoring rates in the previous five seasons - 78%, 82%, 70%, 76%, 81%, 76%. 2017-18 a bit of an outlier, so let's say an average success rate of 79%.
So at this stage of the season, after six rounds, you'd expect 14 penalties to have been awarded, and 11 of them scored. So VAR and the rules have 'added' 15 successful penalties.
On to goals. Worth a note that after the international break, goals have settled down with 44 in the 18 games since, more in line with the longer-term average. But that aside, last six seasons in the PL - 2.82 per game, 2.68, 2.80, 2.70, 2.56, 2.76. Average of 2.72 per game. This season, 192 goals in 56 games played so far, 3.43 goals per game.
So against the long-term average, we have seen 40 goals more so far this season than we would have expected, of which 15 may be considered the impact of VAR/rules changes on penalties.
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