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Re: Relegation

by Hound » 23 Aug 2021 14:38

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SCIAG Ejaria is underrated because of all the people going on about how overrated he is. He’s a very good player at this level.

We’re doing fine for goals and we know that our defenders are good enough and that our current staff can and have organised them. Need to start winning the ball at set pieces ofc.


It is as much a mental thing aswell. We cannot seem to compete with teams that "go at us" and we just crumble. Especially with the youngsters we have now who have just been thrown into the deep end.


Tbf we have in recent years always struggled against physical and pressing teams, something which will only be exacerbated with the new mandate this season of “letting the game flow”.


Have we? We did ok against Barnsley last year, should have beaten them twice. Beat and drew with Cardiff. Can't think of any other teams who were particularly physical. We tended to just lose to a) better sides than us (brentford, Norwich, Watford) or teams who scored early and held on fairly comfortably - Stoke, Boro at home for example.

Actually think we are pretty comfortable against pressing teams. ITs the ones who sit back and pack the midfield which concern me more

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Re: Relegation

by Donny Ironside » 23 Aug 2021 15:14

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It is as much a mental thing aswell. We cannot seem to compete with teams that "go at us" and we just crumble. Especially with the youngsters we have now who have just been thrown into the deep end.


Tbf we have in recent years always struggled against physical and pressing teams, something which will only be exacerbated with the new mandate this season of “letting the game flow”.


Have we? We did ok against Barnsley last year, should have beaten them twice. Beat and drew with Cardiff. Can't think of any other teams who were particularly physical. We tended to just lose to a) better sides than us (brentford, Norwich, Watford) or teams who scored early and held on fairly comfortably - Stoke, Boro at home for example.

Actually think we are pretty comfortable against pressing teams. ITs the ones who sit back and pack the midfield which concern me more


I think a lot of teams now will be more physical then us, with our younger squad

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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Aug 2021 18:04

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Well said. Preston should have been 4 or 5, we were the better side st Stoke until we had to bring off Swift and look how they've started. 2 deflections there too. Bristol and Coventry were poor but we look like we will score in most games, just need to sort the defence and things may look rosier.

I tend to agree. But those of us who are less reactionary make these same excuses at this time every year as well. And the positive hope never materialises in significant improvement.


I'm not even trying to be optimistic - I'm just taking a step back from it and can see that the club is a mess and not every issue will be solved by VP getting the elbow.

If he goes:

- we still have 10+ players (mostly key) out of contract in the summer. Not all will go (if we stay up) but all will have agents who will be having conversation with other clubs about moving there next year - in short they will likely have exit plans and will have regardless of performance and the teams finishing position. For example, the likes of Laurent and Swift will have plenty of suitors next summer regardless of how they play - Reading being "a mess" gives them a bit of a free pass.

- we still won't have enough decent options to drop underperforming players esp. with 1 or 2 injuries. Can VP really drop Moore at the moment with McIntyre possibly injured and no LB?

- we will still only be able to sign loans/freebies - change manager now and the chance to bring the former possibly goes with it as there is only a week left to do so.

VP has a shit hand and isn't doing as good a job as he possibly could but with the above and around 80% of last years goals currently unavailable and very little space to replace them (also remember we couldn't strengthen in Jan - when we all knew we needed too), it's hardly a shock that we are stuggling today.

I'm fully aware though, if we get to the October break with only 1 or 2 more wins on the board by then (i.e 3 wins from 11) then it would be a very hard sell to plough on with him.

I'm fully on board the it's certainly not all Pauno and he's been dealt a shite hand. Sacking him is unlikely to do much.

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Re: Relegation

by leon » 23 Aug 2021 20:17

At this point in our existence we need a manager that can organise the team to grind out results in the Championship and keep us safe until we can fix our financial position.

I’d love it to be Pauno it’s just everything I’m seeing (or from the last 6 months) is telling me it’s not.

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Re: Relegation

by Zip » 23 Aug 2021 20:30

leon At this point in our existence we need a manager that can organise the team to grind out results in the Championship and keep us safe until we can fix our financial position.

I’d love it to be Pauno it’s just everything I’m seeing (or from the last 6 months) is telling me it’s not.



This is where I am. I really hope he can turn it around but don't think he will. I'm Pauno in but expect to be Pauno out in a couple of months time because I don't think he can manage the team out of this lengthy slump.


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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Aug 2021 20:39

I don't think there's a much better option anyway.

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Re: Relegation

by NathStPaul » 23 Aug 2021 21:00

We'd end up with Jonathan Woodgate.

No thank you.

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Re: Relegation

by Hound » 23 Aug 2021 21:12

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leon At this point in our existence we need a manager that can organise the team to grind out results in the Championship and keep us safe until we can fix our financial position.

I’d love it to be Pauno it’s just everything I’m seeing (or from the last 6 months) is telling me it’s not.



This is where I am. I really hope he can turn it around but don't think he will. I'm Pauno in but expect to be Pauno out in a couple of months time because I don't think he can manage the team out of this lengthy slump.


Bowen been employed anywhere yet?

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Re: Relegation

by Stranded » 23 Aug 2021 21:28

NathStPaul We'd end up with Jonathan Woodgate.

No thank you.


Nah. John Terry - almost worth putting a fiver on it now.


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Re: Relegation

by leon » 23 Aug 2021 21:33

If that thick Chelsea racist became our manager I’d seriously consider not renewing. And I’ve been a ST holder for 25 years.

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Re: Relegation

by Simmops » 23 Aug 2021 22:08

Snowflake Royal I don't think there's a much better option anyway.

There are plenty

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Re: Relegation

by Simmops » 23 Aug 2021 22:09

leon If that thick Chelsea racist became our manager I’d seriously consider not renewing. And I’ve been a ST holder for 25 years.


I would happily take him. Ive had a ST for 19 years. He's a oxf*rd great player and would sort shit out with our defence and had contacts.

We need to get an English manager who knows the game.

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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Aug 2021 23:13

+1 to the club can get stuffed if they hire John Terry.

Though he's not as awful as Fat Sam or Saggy Harry.


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Re: Relegation

by leon » 24 Aug 2021 00:06

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leon If that thick Chelsea racist became our manager I’d seriously consider not renewing. And I’ve been a ST holder for 25 years.


I would happily take him. Ive had a ST for 19 years. He's a oxf*rd great player and would sort shit out with our defence and had contacts.

We need to get an English manager who knows the game.


A) you haven’t had a ST for 19 years
B) he’s an absolute cnut who can fcuk off.
C) You can criticise RFC for a lot of things but as a club/fan base we’re actually quite nice. We’re not massive racists like West Ham, Chelsea, Millwall, Leeds, Newcastle, Everton, any number of northern clubs.
D) you can tell he’s educationally subnormal just by looking at him.

So it’s very much a no from me.

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Re: Relegation

by Simmops » 24 Aug 2021 03:38

Snowflake Royal +1 to the club can get stuffed if they hire John Terry.

Though he's not as awful as Fat Sam or Saggy Harry.

:lol:

Imagine saying two of the most experienced managers and best in english football are awful

What you say holds no weight anyway as you already said you would boycott the club last season when pauno was appointed and you didn't do that

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Re: Relegation

by Simmops » 24 Aug 2021 03:49

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leon If that thick Chelsea racist became our manager I’d seriously consider not renewing. And I’ve been a ST holder for 25 years.


I would happily take him. Ive had a ST for 19 years. He's a oxf*rd great player and would sort shit out with our defence and had contacts.

We need to get an English manager who knows the game.


A) you haven’t had a ST for 19 years
B) he’s an absolute cnut who can fcuk off.
C) You can criticise RFC for a lot of things but as a club/fan base we’re actually quite nice. We’re not massive racists like West Ham, Chelsea, Millwall, Leeds, Newcastle, Everton, any number of northern clubs.
D) you can tell he’s educationally subnormal just by looking at him.

So it’s very much a no from me.


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Yes I had one for that long. Dont now and didn't for ages.

He's one of the modern greats of football. If you think otherwise you're not serious

He said 1 thing allegedly that wasn't even proven right? So you can't say he's a racist based off of that. And he looks funny so what? That's just judgemental

Anybody turning down Chelsea legends and captain who will sort our defence out is mental

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Re: Relegation

by Steve_Upper_West » 24 Aug 2021 07:30

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I would happily take him. Ive had a ST for 19 years. He's a oxf*rd great player and would sort shit out with our defence and had contacts.

We need to get an English manager who knows the game.


A) you haven’t had a ST for 19 years
B) he’s an absolute cnut who can fcuk off.
C) You can criticise RFC for a lot of things but as a club/fan base we’re actually quite nice. We’re not massive racists like West Ham, Chelsea, Millwall, Leeds, Newcastle, Everton, any number of northern clubs.
D) you can tell he’s educationally subnormal just by looking at him.

So it’s very much a no from me.


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Yes I had one for that long. Dont now and didn't for ages.

He's one of the modern greats of football. If you think otherwise you're not serious

He said 1 thing allegedly that wasn't even proven right? So you can't say he's a racist based off of that. And he looks funny so what? That's just judgemental

Anybody turning down Chelsea legends and captain who will sort our defence out is mental


The only Chelsea legend who fits the bill would be Lampard… but sadly cannot see that happening given our current situation.

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Re: Relegation

by Simmops » 24 Aug 2021 08:38

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A) you haven’t had a ST for 19 years
B) he’s an absolute cnut who can fcuk off.
C) You can criticise RFC for a lot of things but as a club/fan base we’re actually quite nice. We’re not massive racists like West Ham, Chelsea, Millwall, Leeds, Newcastle, Everton, any number of northern clubs.
D) you can tell he’s educationally subnormal just by looking at him.

So it’s very much a no from me.


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Yes I had one for that long. Dont now and didn't for ages.

He's one of the modern greats of football. If you think otherwise you're not serious

He said 1 thing allegedly that wasn't even proven right? So you can't say he's a racist based off of that. And he looks funny so what? That's just judgemental

Anybody turning down Chelsea legends and captain who will sort our defence out is mental


The only Chelsea legend who fits the bill would be Lampard… but sadly cannot see that happening given our current situation.


I would take Terry. Clearly knows his shit, gave Villa a very credible defence and learnt from a good manager too in Smith.

I've read that in his training courses he was far and away the best there

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Re: Relegation

by NathStPaul » 24 Aug 2021 08:59

Paunovic not doing the pre game press conference according to Jonathan Low.

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Re: Relegation

by NathStPaul » 24 Aug 2021 09:07

As much as I don't want John Terry at the club he is definitely one of the people who would be on the list should Paunovic go. Think there are 3 leading candidates:

John Terry
Jonathan Woodgate
Alan Pardew

Would want none of them.

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