Pauno out

[Snowflake Royal]

Someone on Twitter suggesting if we sack him we would trigger the suspended additional points deduction

That tosh or any truth?

Rubbish. What about if we sold someone at the same time or got Rafaels wages off the books instead?

It's rubbish because VP has 6 months left. That 6 months will already be in the business plan so is accounted for, it doesn't matter if he gets that money now or over the coming months. If he had 18 months left, may be a different story.

What it may restrict is how much we have available to pay the next guy. Possibly need to be creative i.e. x now with y to follow in July if we stay up.

There was something in the decision requiring us to get approval for compensation payments, possibly above a certain level iirc.

[The Green Programme]

These discussions bore me.

Basically debating who has been "a bit less shit" than whom. Bowen, Gomes, Pauno, Clement, Clarke, etc etc

Shit after shit after shit, let''s be honest.

Totally agree.

All those previous managers named (except possibly Bowen) have been shit when it mattered and had no idea.

Overpaid players going through the motions (with some rare exceptions - Yiadom, McIntyre, Morrison, Meite, Dann for example)

I have been pro-Pauno on the basis that he has been unable to field a first XI all season and unable to buy anyone throughout his time as Manager and he deserves a proper chance.

As for the 7-0; to be honest when I saw the team we were putting out against a motivated, very strong Fulham; I could see a heavy defeat was the only realistic outcome.

Imagine;
Southwood
Yiadom Dann McIntyre Rahman
Rhino Drinkwater Laurent (or 2 of 3)
Ejaria or Swift
Joao Carroll

That is a top side

With Meite, Holmes, Halilovic, TDB, Azeez, Moore, Andresson, Tetek on the bench

That is a top bench

Puscas and Rafael can do one.

We have been unable to name a first XI for as long as I can remember.

We will probably never see the team I have set out above; because some won’t be fit before most of the others have gone.

It’s a sad time.

Pauno did well last year; 7th.

He has definitely not had a fair crack at promotion and now we appear to be in a dire situation.

I think we have to limp through to the summer and survive. Then sell or offload everyone we can.

And start again from scratch, with Ainsworth.

Be happy to be small and start again but do so in the Championship (I hope).

[Hound]

Rubbish. What about if we sold someone at the same time or got Rafaels wages off the books instead?

It's rubbish because VP has 6 months left. That 6 months will already be in the business plan so is accounted for, it doesn't matter if he gets that money now or over the coming months. If he had 18 months left, may be a different story.

What it may restrict is how much we have available to pay the next guy. Possibly need to be creative i.e. x now with y to follow in July if we stay up.

There was something in the decision requiring us to get approval for compensation payments, possibly above a certain level iirc.

No compensation payments as such though - we could just pay his salary for the next 5 months and have him on gardening leave worst case

But yes replacing might be an issue. But that would surely not be the case if we managed to offload some players, who are presumably better paid than him (ie Rafael)

[Royal_jimmy]

Dai clearly doesn't give a shit about the club anymore

[Brogue]

Dai clearly doesn't give a shit about the club anymore

Did he ever?

[CountryRoyal]

Dai clearly doesn't give a shit about the club anymore

Did he ever?

I mean, enough to spend the last half decade pumping millions into us, yeah.

[tidus_mi2]

Dai clearly doesn't give a shit about the club anymore

Did he ever?

I mean, enough to spend the last half decade pumping millions into us, yeah.

Basically the reason I'm loathe to be too critical of the owners, they've made some shit decisions and trusted the advice of some terrible people but funded the bearwood training ground and clearly want to give us the funding to compete and chase Premier League football. They really need to look at which people they're listening to.

[The Green Programme]

Did he ever?

I mean, enough to spend the last half decade pumping millions into us, yeah.

Basically the reason I'm loathe to be too critical of the owners, they've made some shit decisions and trusted the advice of some terrible people but funded the bearwood training ground and clearly want to give us the funding to compete and chase Premier League football. They really need to look at which people they're listening to.

Totally agree.

No one has put more money into the Club than the current owners.

And remember when Liam Moore was going to leave? They paid him whatever he wanted to keep him.

And he has never been the same player. He like many others, have taken the money, not performed, and let the club down.

I have no issue with the owners but I do have issues with all the people who have advised them on who to invest in.

[Millsy]

I mean, enough to spend the last half decade pumping millions into us, yeah.

Basically the reason I'm loathe to be too critical of the owners, they've made some shit decisions and trusted the advice of some terrible people but funded the bearwood training ground and clearly want to give us the funding to compete and chase Premier League football. They really need to look at which people they're listening to.

Totally agree.

No one has put more money into the Club than the current owners.

And remember when Liam Moore was going to leave? They paid him whatever he wanted to keep him.

And he has never been the same player. He like many others, have taken the money, not performed, and let the club down.

I have no issue with the owners but I do have issues with all the people who have advised them on who to invest in.

+1

It’s why I like them, all things considered.

[Snowflake Royal]

Not only is the claim that Dai has put in more money in about 5 years than Madejski did in about 20 highly questionable, but when you look at how much sustained success Madejski achieved and how much sustained shitness Dai has achieved, you've got to question just how oxf*rd awful his decision making is on that spending. Especially when it results in us losing points.

[NathStPaul]

Not sure the actual spending is the issue, it is what we have spent the money on. We have recruited horribly in recent times in a desperate attempt to get promotion, it has killed us. I am more concerned about the choices the owners have made in terms of who they are trusting to make decisions on the players who come in. They would appear to be completely clueless on that front or easily led in respect of Kia Joorabchian

[Pepe the Horseman]

You can't really blame them for being duped by Kia, he must have a pretty exciting client list. I reckon a good amount of us were excited when we first heard they were working with him, a la Mendes at Wolves. You would think they'd have figured him out by now though. Guess we'll find out when ya man finally gets the boot.

[Millsy]

Well meaning but not very bright/easily duped, and of course no one can compare to Sir John.

But still fine by me. If they learn from their mistakes.

[Stranded]

You can't really blame them for being duped by Kia, he must have a pretty exciting client list. I reckon a good amount of us were excited when we first heard they were working with him, a la Mendes at Wolves. You would think they'd have figured him out by now though. Guess we'll find out when ya man finally gets the boot.

You would hope so - in practice I have no issue being in partnership with an agent/businessman/whatever he is - as long as it is mutually beneficial i.e. we get access to players we probably wouldn't have got whilst also offering a springboard to some players who, whilst good enough, would not have otherwise had a shot. Instead, we just seem to be lining his pockets whilst he feeds us shit.

[NathStPaul]

Their biggest mistake imo was to not re-install a director of football who knows the club and can double up as someone who could be their mouthpiece. It is a mistake they could rectify any time they like too.

[Hound]

You can't really blame them for being duped by Kia, he must have a pretty exciting client list. I reckon a good amount of us were excited when we first heard they were working with him, a la Mendes at Wolves. You would think they'd have figured him out by now though. Guess we'll find out when ya man finally gets the boot.

You would hope so - in practice I have no issue being in partnership with an agent/businessman/whatever he is - as long as it is mutually beneficial i.e. we get access to players we probably wouldn't have got whilst also offering a springboard to some players who, whilst good enough, would not have otherwise had a shot. Instead, we just seem to be lining his pockets whilst he feeds us shit.

its tough one though - you look at that squad - Joao, Puscas, Meite, Yiadom, Dann, Drinkwater, Baba, Laurent, Carroll at the moment, Ejaria, Moore - on paper it should be near the top 6, not 4th bottom. Poor management and the ridiculous injury list has put paid to it. Could be argued that Dai and Kia have built a competitive squad, but where we've fallen down is in the rest of the structure. I'm not sure Kia has fed us shit - there aren't many players who you'd say have been a total waste of time - more just inconsistent and injury prone.

I'd almost rather Kia actually be DOF - ok he may be clueless about some of the ins and outs of football but at least he would then be accountable and not just lurking in the background

[Hound]

Their biggest mistake imo was to not install a director of football who knows the club and can double up as someone who could be their mouthpiece. It is a mistake they could rectify any time they like too.

yeah totally. Thought Bowen was ideal there tbh.

[NathStPaul]

You can't really blame them for being duped by Kia, he must have a pretty exciting client list. I reckon a good amount of us were excited when we first heard they were working with him, a la Mendes at Wolves. You would think they'd have figured him out by now though. Guess we'll find out when ya man finally gets the boot.

You would hope so - in practice I have no issue being in partnership with an agent/businessman/whatever he is - as long as it is mutually beneficial i.e. we get access to players we probably wouldn't have got whilst also offering a springboard to some players who, whilst good enough, would not have otherwise had a shot. Instead, we just seem to be lining his pockets whilst he feeds us shit.

its tough one though - you look at that squad - Joao, Puscas, Meite, Yiadom, Dann, Drinkwater, Baba, Laurent, Carroll at the moment, Ejaria, Moore - on paper it should be near the top 6, not 4th bottom. Poor management and the ridiculous injury list has put paid to it. Could be argued that Dai and Kia have built a competitive squad, but where we've fallen down is in the rest of the structure. I'm not sure Kia has fed us shit - there aren't many players who you'd say have been a total waste of time - more just inconsistent and injury prone.

I'd almost rather Kia actually be DOF - ok he may be clueless about some of the ins and outs of football but at least he would then be accountable and not just lurking in the background

I think I would rather have anyone else as DoF but I get your point. Kia is happy to pick up backhanders from the club but there is zero accountability there. He is clearly a shady crook who only has his interests at heart and he can pretty much get away with whatever he likes.

[Hound]

I'd almost rather Kia actually be DOF - ok he may be clueless about some of the ins and outs of football but at least he would then be accountable and not just lurking in the background

I think I would rather have anyone else as DoF but I get your point. Kia is happy to pick up backhanders from the club but there is zero accountability there. He is clearly a shady crook who only has his interests at heart and he can pretty much get away with whatever he likes.

yeah, obviously I don't want him DOF. But it really is the worst of all words him just seeming to make the decisions behind the scenes without visibility or accountability. Very unhealthy situation

[NathStPaul]

I'd almost rather Kia actually be DOF - ok he may be clueless about some of the ins and outs of football but at least he would then be accountable and not just lurking in the background

I think I would rather have anyone else as DoF but I get your point. Kia is happy to pick up backhanders from the club but there is zero accountability there. He is clearly a shady crook who only has his interests at heart and he can pretty much get away with whatever he likes.

yeah, obviously I don't want him DOF. But it really is the worst of all words him just seeming to make the decisions behind the scenes without visibility or accountability. Very unhealthy situation

I would have thought him taking any official position with the club would mean he'd no longer be able to take a cut of any transfer fees in the future which he won't want, not sure he is up for a real job. As was said previously, I am not against super agents as such as long as they have the clubs best interests at heart. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that applies to Kia and there is also nothing to suggest he is "super".