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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by South Coast Royal » 03 Apr 2022 11:09

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Sanguine Based on the numbers, specifically the 50% wage growth, looks like they gambled on promotion to the Championship around 17-18. But then what can clubs like this do except accept a yo-yo existence in the bottom two leagues? It's Scunthorpe. They aren't going to pinch fans from Hull or Leeds, and there is little reason or justification to extending their 9,000 capacity ground.


Agree really, just a town club where the 95% of their fanbase will be local fans based in Scunthorpe and Cleethorpes.

Southend did similar, they gambled around 16-18 time and now they've ended up struggling in the National League. As you say, I'm not sure what clubs like these honestly expect to happen. You need your recruitment and academy to be really good and to be able to spend within your means and then most clubs could be able to pull together a team that can compete at the top of League One in hopes of reaching the Championship and then looking to establish themselves there.


Sorry to be a pedant but aren't you mixing up your Scunthorpe with Grimsby (re-Cleethorpes)?

I very much agree with sanguine that we have gone too far the other way when compared to European countries, i.e. the professional game goes all the way down to a 5th level and we know that players are paid to play at many more even lower levels.

When I first started watching football the 3rd tier was split into North and South.
I really can't remember why it was altered to Divs 3 and 4 other than I seem to recollect that playing the same teams every year was thought to be a bit boring.
In hindsight, reducing travel costs and having more better attended Derby games would have improved the finances of clubs that then were , as like today, suffering financially-not because of wages but due to other costs.

Unfortunately the game is now focused more than ever on the top level and money just doesn't filter down to the lower levels.
So, we either dilute and spread the obscene riches of the Premier clubs or move away from fully professional clubs lower down.
One day sense will prevail but there is so much self interest in the game that the "one day" Rodney will probably be as much of a fantasy as Delboy's.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Franchise FC » 03 Apr 2022 12:49

Winston Biscuit I see a journalist saying that the council are in discussions to buy Pride Park and lease it to whoever buys Derby.

Should be an effective way of helping save the club from disappearing. Not sure spending the public's tax money on a football stadium when council budgets are being cut will go down well with everyone.

I presume they must be buying it from Morris. Derby don’t own it.
How much is MM going to squeeze out of the council I wonder

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 03 Apr 2022 21:05

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Sanguine Based on the numbers, specifically the 50% wage growth, looks like they gambled on promotion to the Championship around 17-18. But then what can clubs like this do except accept a yo-yo existence in the bottom two leagues? It's Scunthorpe. They aren't going to pinch fans from Hull or Leeds, and there is little reason or justification to extending their 9,000 capacity ground.


Agree really, just a town club where the 95% of their fanbase will be local fans based in Scunthorpe and Cleethorpes.

Southend did similar, they gambled around 16-18 time and now they've ended up struggling in the National League. As you say, I'm not sure what clubs like these honestly expect to happen. You need your recruitment and academy to be really good and to be able to spend within your means and then most clubs could be able to pull together a team that can compete at the top of League One in hopes of reaching the Championship and then looking to establish themselves there.


Sorry to be a pedant but aren't you mixing up your Scunthorpe with Grimsby (re-Cleethorpes)?


Yes, I did. Not a million miles away granted, but for a Yorkshire man I should have got that one right.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Mr Angry » 05 Apr 2022 09:04

I think that there is an argument to be made to reform both League 2 and the Conference into North & South Divisions; In this day and age it is ridiculous that you have trips like Plymouth v Carlisle - there needs to be a push towards better sustainability, and as such a reorganisation on those grounds alone is a no brainer.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Winston Biscuit » 05 Apr 2022 11:21

Regionalise Tiers 4 & 5

Change League Cup to British cup, which only kicks only in from a certain round and provide funding for travel & overnight stays to lower league clubs going over X number of miiles

FA Cup to be played at the ground of the lower ranked team, unless they opt to play it at the other teams ground

FA Cup to get the 4th Champions League spot


Vote common sense, vote Winston


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Mr Angry » 05 Apr 2022 12:09

Winston Biscuit Regionalise Tiers 4 & 5

Change League Cup to British cup, which only kicks only in from a certain round and provide funding for travel & overnight stays to lower league clubs going over X number of miiles

FA Cup to be played at the ground of the lower ranked team, unless they opt to play it at the other teams ground

FA Cup to get the 4th Champions League spot


Vote common sense, vote Winston


England could a 5th CL spot from - iirc - 23/24 season, and it could go to the winner of the FA Cup......but only if their UEFA coefficient's are high enough. This has been at the instigation of UEFA and not the FA.

In other words, a move to offer the bigger clubs yet another route back into the Champions League at the expense of the up and coming teams.

From the Daily Telegraph:

"The FA Cup winners could potentially qualify for the Champions League from 2024 under new rules being agreed by Uefa - but only if they are one of the clubs in Europe with a historic record of success in Uefa competitions.

The new proposals will see the two extra places in a new 36-team Champions League awarded on co-efficient from 2024 - the formula that Uefa uses to measure historic success in the competition. The Champions League places will be awarded to the two non-qualified clubs ranked highest on the Uefa co-efficient list, as long as they have either finished one league place outside the Champions League spots in their own domestic league, or won their domestic cup.

By way of example, if Crystal Palace were to win this season’s FA Cup final, there would be no prospect of the club earning a Champions League place because of its non-existent Uefa co-efficient. However, if one of the other three clubs in the semi-finals - Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City - were to finish outside the Premier League’s top four, winning the FA Cup would be a route for them into the Champions League. All three have a strong Uefa co-efficient ranking."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... mpetitions.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Winston Biscuit » 05 Apr 2022 13:36

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Winston Biscuit Regionalise Tiers 4 & 5

Change League Cup to British cup, which only kicks only in from a certain round and provide funding for travel & overnight stays to lower league clubs going over X number of miiles

FA Cup to be played at the ground of the lower ranked team, unless they opt to play it at the other teams ground

FA Cup to get the 4th Champions League spot


Vote common sense, vote Winston


England could a 5th CL spot from - iirc - 23/24 season, and it could go to the winner of the FA Cup......but only if their UEFA coefficient's are high enough. This has been at the instigation of UEFA and not the FA.

In other words, a move to offer the bigger clubs yet another route back into the Champions League at the expense of the up and coming teams.

From the Daily Telegraph:

"The FA Cup winners could potentially qualify for the Champions League from 2024 under new rules being agreed by Uefa - but only if they are one of the clubs in Europe with a historic record of success in Uefa competitions.

The new proposals will see the two extra places in a new 36-team Champions League awarded on co-efficient from 2024 - the formula that Uefa uses to measure historic success in the competition. The Champions League places will be awarded to the two non-qualified clubs ranked highest on the Uefa co-efficient list, as long as they have either finished one league place outside the Champions League spots in their own domestic league, or won their domestic cup.

By way of example, if Crystal Palace were to win this season’s FA Cup final, there would be no prospect of the club earning a Champions League place because of its non-existent Uefa co-efficient. However, if one of the other three clubs in the semi-finals - Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City - were to finish outside the Premier League’s top four, winning the FA Cup would be a route for them into the Champions League. All three have a strong Uefa co-efficient ranking."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... mpetitions.


well that's rubbish.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sutekh » 05 Apr 2022 13:58

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Mr Angry
Winston Biscuit Regionalise Tiers 4 & 5

Change League Cup to British cup, which only kicks only in from a certain round and provide funding for travel & overnight stays to lower league clubs going over X number of miiles

FA Cup to be played at the ground of the lower ranked team, unless they opt to play it at the other teams ground

FA Cup to get the 4th Champions League spot


Vote common sense, vote Winston


England could a 5th CL spot from - iirc - 23/24 season, and it could go to the winner of the FA Cup......but only if their UEFA coefficient's are high enough. This has been at the instigation of UEFA and not the FA.

In other words, a move to offer the bigger clubs yet another route back into the Champions League at the expense of the up and coming teams.

From the Daily Telegraph:

"The FA Cup winners could potentially qualify for the Champions League from 2024 under new rules being agreed by Uefa - but only if they are one of the clubs in Europe with a historic record of success in Uefa competitions.

The new proposals will see the two extra places in a new 36-team Champions League awarded on co-efficient from 2024 - the formula that Uefa uses to measure historic success in the competition. The Champions League places will be awarded to the two non-qualified clubs ranked highest on the Uefa co-efficient list, as long as they have either finished one league place outside the Champions League spots in their own domestic league, or won their domestic cup.

By way of example, if Crystal Palace were to win this season’s FA Cup final, there would be no prospect of the club earning a Champions League place because of its non-existent Uefa co-efficient. However, if one of the other three clubs in the semi-finals - Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City - were to finish outside the Premier League’s top four, winning the FA Cup would be a route for them into the Champions League. All three have a strong Uefa co-efficient ranking."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... mpetitions.


well that's rubbish.


For god’s sake enough is enough of this £££££££££££ cr@p, the CL is already full of enough clubs qualifying because they finish in 3rd, 4th places in their league without adding more places from other domestic competitions for more clubs that haven’t actually won a league.

Meanwhile how many UEFA countries have league winners that still have to start qualifying in July because winning their league doesn’t qualify them for the group or at least the final qualifying round. About time priority was given to actual league winners getting into the group stages instead - oh but that might mean some big clubs missing out and that’s not allowed is it.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Franchise FC » 05 Apr 2022 18:59

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Winston Biscuit
Mr Angry
England could a 5th CL spot from - iirc - 23/24 season, and it could go to the winner of the FA Cup......but only if their UEFA coefficient's are high enough. This has been at the instigation of UEFA and not the FA.

In other words, a move to offer the bigger clubs yet another route back into the Champions League at the expense of the up and coming teams.

From the Daily Telegraph:

"The FA Cup winners could potentially qualify for the Champions League from 2024 under new rules being agreed by Uefa - but only if they are one of the clubs in Europe with a historic record of success in Uefa competitions.

The new proposals will see the two extra places in a new 36-team Champions League awarded on co-efficient from 2024 - the formula that Uefa uses to measure historic success in the competition. The Champions League places will be awarded to the two non-qualified clubs ranked highest on the Uefa co-efficient list, as long as they have either finished one league place outside the Champions League spots in their own domestic league, or won their domestic cup.

By way of example, if Crystal Palace were to win this season’s FA Cup final, there would be no prospect of the club earning a Champions League place because of its non-existent Uefa co-efficient. However, if one of the other three clubs in the semi-finals - Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City - were to finish outside the Premier League’s top four, winning the FA Cup would be a route for them into the Champions League. All three have a strong Uefa co-efficient ranking."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... mpetitions.


well that's rubbish.


For god’s sake enough is enough of this £££££££££££ cr@p, the CL is already full of enough clubs qualifying because they finish in 3rd, 4th places in their league without adding more places from other domestic competitions for more clubs that haven’t actually won a league.

Meanwhile how many UEFA countries have league winners that still have to start qualifying in July because winning their league doesn’t qualify them for the group or at least the final qualifying round. About time priority was given to actual league winners getting into the group stages instead - oh but that might mean some big clubs missing out and that’s not allowed is it.


But at least the cup winners will have won something, unlike 2nd, 3rd & 4th
So much for it being the CHAMPIONS League


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Weymouth Royal » 10 Apr 2022 22:39

Yeovil's take over recently collapsed. Today the club website was switched off as the club can't afford to pay for it. They are in trouble!

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Uke » 10 Apr 2022 23:14

Weymouth Royal Yeovil's take over recently collapsed. Today the club website was switched off as the club can't afford to pay for it. They are in trouble!


It’s back on https://www.ytfc.net/

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Winston Biscuit » 04 May 2022 17:57

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/burnley-premier-league-accounts-pace-23857259

Burnley's accounts show that the £65M loan they have taken on has the repayment date pulled forward if they are relegated, to the season following relegation.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Stranded » 05 May 2022 22:43

EFL release statement that deal for Derby nearly done. Stadium issue remains to be resolved.


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Franchise FC » 06 May 2022 07:47

Stranded EFL release statement that deal for Derby nearly done. Stadium issue remains to be resolved.

So not done then :roll: (that’s for the EFL not you, Stranders)

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Stranded » 06 May 2022 07:52

Story this morning is that Derby may groundshare at Stoke next season to ensure a deal completes.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Uke » 06 May 2022 10:54

Stranded Story this morning is that Derby may groundshare at Stoke next season to ensure a deal completes.


Have they no pride?

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by PATRIQT » 06 May 2022 11:04

Stranded Story this morning is that Derby may groundshare at Stoke next season to ensure a deal completes.


Yet all they need to do is pay rent until such time they can buy the stadium.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Silver Fox » 06 May 2022 11:08

When do they need to be out of admin to avoid a points deduction next season?

Saturday at 3?
After the playoff final?
June 1st?
Whatever date Wayne likes?

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Hendo » 06 May 2022 11:50

Uke
Stranded Story this morning is that Derby may groundshare at Stoke next season to ensure a deal completes.


Have they no pride?



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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sutekh » 06 May 2022 14:45

Silver Fox When do they need to be out of admin to avoid a points deduction next season?

Saturday at 3?
After the playoff final?
June 1st?
Whatever date Wayne likes?


Think the cut off is the opening day of next season (30 July).

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