Franchise FCAthleticoSpizz I’ll raise you a Hoilett
Carroll, Lumley
Jury’s out on the likes of Mbengue, Loum, Hendrick
Got to keep Hendrick.
by karbota » 24 Oct 2022 20:31
Franchise FCAthleticoSpizz I’ll raise you a Hoilett
Carroll, Lumley
Jury’s out on the likes of Mbengue, Loum, Hendrick
by Sutekh » 26 Oct 2022 20:20
by Hound » 26 Oct 2022 20:30
karbotaYorkshireRoyal99 I definitely think we will be able to keep a few of them on at least. I feel like we may end up signing Loum permanently, hopefully Mbengue and Carroll are kept on until the EOS at least to give them both a fair opportunity, Lumley I think would be a good addition and Hendrick may depend on availability and wage demands. Hoilett for another season as well would be good.
NO.
by karbota » 27 Oct 2022 18:25
HoundkarbotaYorkshireRoyal99 I definitely think we will be able to keep a few of them on at least. I feel like we may end up signing Loum permanently, hopefully Mbengue and Carroll are kept on until the EOS at least to give them both a fair opportunity, Lumley I think would be a good addition and Hendrick may depend on availability and wage demands. Hoilett for another season as well would be good.
NO.
Least surprising opinion of the day from karbota
by Hound » 27 Oct 2022 19:46
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 31 Oct 2022 14:28
by Sutekh » 31 Oct 2022 14:44
YorkshireRoyal99 Interesting to see Mark Bowen echo similar comments to myself from a few months ago regarding Michael Olise's move to Palace, being that his buy-out clause was far too low for a player of his ability and potential, claiming that, had the situation have been managed differently, the outcome may be different as well. Granted, he has admitted that he wasn't involved in the talks between club, player, agent, familty etc regarding the original deal, but still feels it may have been managed differently to bring a better outcome rather than a "measly" £8m.
Bowen has also admitted that there is no sell on clause from the deal, meaning that we will miss out on any such larger fees should Olise move from Palace. Olise has been strongly linked with AC Milan in recent times for figures reported to be in and around £35-50m.
Arsene Wenger had met with both Vieira and Olise as well, where he says to Olise (in French) that he needs to score more goals to excel to the next level.
by Mid Sussex Royal » 31 Oct 2022 19:01
YorkshireRoyal99 Interesting to see Mark Bowen echo similar comments to myself from a few months ago regarding Michael Olise's move to Palace, being that his buy-out clause was far too low for a player of his ability and potential, claiming that, had the situation have been managed differently, the outcome may be different as well. Granted, he has admitted that he wasn't involved in the talks between club, player, agent, familty etc regarding the original deal, but still feels it may have been managed differently to bring a better outcome rather than a "measly" £8m.
Bowen has also admitted that there is no sell on clause from the deal, meaning that we will miss out on any such larger fees should Olise move from Palace. Olise has been strongly linked with AC Milan in recent times for figures reported to be in and around £35-50m.
Arsene Wenger had met with both Vieira and Olise as well, where he says to Olise (in French) that he needs to score more goals to excel to the next level.
by Nameless » 31 Oct 2022 19:53
Mid Sussex RoyalYorkshireRoyal99 Interesting to see Mark Bowen echo similar comments to myself from a few months ago regarding Michael Olise's move to Palace, being that his buy-out clause was far too low for a player of his ability and potential, claiming that, had the situation have been managed differently, the outcome may be different as well. Granted, he has admitted that he wasn't involved in the talks between club, player, agent, familty etc regarding the original deal, but still feels it may have been managed differently to bring a better outcome rather than a "measly" £8m.
Bowen has also admitted that there is no sell on clause from the deal, meaning that we will miss out on any such larger fees should Olise move from Palace. Olise has been strongly linked with AC Milan in recent times for figures reported to be in and around £35-50m.
Arsene Wenger had met with both Vieira and Olise as well, where he says to Olise (in French) that he needs to score more goals to excel to the next level.
I think its difficult for the club to negotiate anything as if the buy out clause is triggered the player's contract is effectively cancelled so I can't see any need for any club to club negotiation.
Can't see Milan coming in anyway, he hasn't looked as good this season although he's always played wide left by Viera. If milan are looking at anyone it's probably Eze from what i've seen of Palace this season.
by Snowflake Royal » 31 Oct 2022 22:10
SutekhYorkshireRoyal99 Interesting to see Mark Bowen echo similar comments to myself from a few months ago regarding Michael Olise's move to Palace, being that his buy-out clause was far too low for a player of his ability and potential, claiming that, had the situation have been managed differently, the outcome may be different as well. Granted, he has admitted that he wasn't involved in the talks between club, player, agent, familty etc regarding the original deal, but still feels it may have been managed differently to bring a better outcome rather than a "measly" £8m.
Bowen has also admitted that there is no sell on clause from the deal, meaning that we will miss out on any such larger fees should Olise move from Palace. Olise has been strongly linked with AC Milan in recent times for figures reported to be in and around £35-50m.
Arsene Wenger had met with both Vieira and Olise as well, where he says to Olise (in French) that he needs to score more goals to excel to the next level.
Really good work from the club there, not only screwing up on the value but also not getting a sell on clause. While I could maybe understand the former due to the player’s agent not wanting it too high, so as to lose any early interest, but I really don’t see how, with things as they were at the time, the club failed on the sell on front as well!
by Sutekh » 01 Nov 2022 07:07
Snowflake RoyalSutekhYorkshireRoyal99 Interesting to see Mark Bowen echo similar comments to myself from a few months ago regarding Michael Olise's move to Palace, being that his buy-out clause was far too low for a player of his ability and potential, claiming that, had the situation have been managed differently, the outcome may be different as well. Granted, he has admitted that he wasn't involved in the talks between club, player, agent, familty etc regarding the original deal, but still feels it may have been managed differently to bring a better outcome rather than a "measly" £8m.
Bowen has also admitted that there is no sell on clause from the deal, meaning that we will miss out on any such larger fees should Olise move from Palace. Olise has been strongly linked with AC Milan in recent times for figures reported to be in and around £35-50m.
Arsene Wenger had met with both Vieira and Olise as well, where he says to Olise (in French) that he needs to score more goals to excel to the next level.
Really good work from the club there, not only screwing up on the value but also not getting a sell on clause. While I could maybe understand the former due to the player’s agent not wanting it too high, so as to lose any early interest, but I really don’t see how, with things as they were at the time, the club failed on the sell on front as well!
This all screams hindsight is 20/20.
When we signed him he was a talented youngster who was let go by both City and Chelsea, and hadn't played any professional minutes. It took him 3 seasons with us to prove himself.
It's also got to be pretty rare to have a big, and make no mistake, £8m for a 16/17 year old with no first team experience is a big fee, plus a sell on clause.
Are we really suggesting we should have tried to give an untested kid a £15m release clause or something similar?
by Stranded » 01 Nov 2022 07:45
SutekhSnowflake RoyalSutekh
Really good work from the club there, not only screwing up on the value but also not getting a sell on clause. While I could maybe understand the former due to the player’s agent not wanting it too high, so as to lose any early interest, but I really don’t see how, with things as they were at the time, the club failed on the sell on front as well!
This all screams hindsight is 20/20.
When we signed him he was a talented youngster who was let go by both City and Chelsea, and hadn't played any professional minutes. It took him 3 seasons with us to prove himself.
It's also got to be pretty rare to have a big, and make no mistake, £8m for a 16/17 year old with no first team experience is a big fee, plus a sell on clause.
Are we really suggesting we should have tried to give an untested kid a £15m release clause or something similar?
No, I’m not too worried on the release clause front, it was too low but the issue for me there was more for me about why on earth there was one in his contract at all (actually presume it may have been at the player’s request)? I’m more hacked off with fact that given the way things had gone and it was known the guy was a bit useful, and that people were saying £8m was an undervaluation, that the club then failed to get a sell on clause but then I know nothing about the negotiation process in these instances so perhaps there was something that meant they couldn’t do so and/or Palace wouldn’t wear it and with Reading needing the cash it was very much a buyer’s market.
Never would have happened with Nicky in the driving director’s chair and presume now the club have been burnt that it will not happen again given the same circumstances.
Anyway all water under the bridge now and let’s look for the next wonder kid the club need to “protect”!
by Franchise FC » 01 Nov 2022 07:47
SutekhSnowflake RoyalSutekh
Really good work from the club there, not only screwing up on the value but also not getting a sell on clause. While I could maybe understand the former due to the player’s agent not wanting it too high, so as to lose any early interest, but I really don’t see how, with things as they were at the time, the club failed on the sell on front as well!
This all screams hindsight is 20/20.
When we signed him he was a talented youngster who was let go by both City and Chelsea, and hadn't played any professional minutes. It took him 3 seasons with us to prove himself.
It's also got to be pretty rare to have a big, and make no mistake, £8m for a 16/17 year old with no first team experience is a big fee, plus a sell on clause.
Are we really suggesting we should have tried to give an untested kid a £15m release clause or something similar?
No, I’m not too worried on the release clause front, it was too low but the issue for me there was more for me about why on earth there was one in his contract at all (actually presume it may have been at the player’s request)? I’m more hacked off with fact that given the way things had gone and it was known the guy was a bit useful, and that people were saying £8m was an undervaluation, that the club then failed to get a sell on clause but then I know nothing about the negotiation process in these instances so perhaps there was something that meant they couldn’t do so and/or Palace wouldn’t wear it and with Reading needing the cash it was very much a buyer’s market.
Never would have happened with Nicky in the driving director’s chair and presume now the club have been burnt that it will not happen again given the same circumstances.
Anyway all water under the bridge now and let’s look for the next wonder kid the club need to “protect”!
by Stranded » 01 Nov 2022 07:55
by JedMaxwell » 01 Nov 2022 08:03
Stranded Not an ex player but looks like Paunovic could be in line for a return to management in Mexico with Chivas.
by Stranded » 01 Nov 2022 08:36
Stranded Not an ex player but looks like Paunovic could be in line for a return to management in Mexico with Chivas.
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 01 Nov 2022 08:51
Snowflake RoyalSutekhYorkshireRoyal99 Interesting to see Mark Bowen echo similar comments to myself from a few months ago regarding Michael Olise's move to Palace, being that his buy-out clause was far too low for a player of his ability and potential, claiming that, had the situation have been managed differently, the outcome may be different as well. Granted, he has admitted that he wasn't involved in the talks between club, player, agent, familty etc regarding the original deal, but still feels it may have been managed differently to bring a better outcome rather than a "measly" £8m.
Bowen has also admitted that there is no sell on clause from the deal, meaning that we will miss out on any such larger fees should Olise move from Palace. Olise has been strongly linked with AC Milan in recent times for figures reported to be in and around £35-50m.
Arsene Wenger had met with both Vieira and Olise as well, where he says to Olise (in French) that he needs to score more goals to excel to the next level.
Really good work from the club there, not only screwing up on the value but also not getting a sell on clause. While I could maybe understand the former due to the player’s agent not wanting it too high, so as to lose any early interest, but I really don’t see how, with things as they were at the time, the club failed on the sell on front as well!
This all screams hindsight is 20/20.
When we signed him he was a talented youngster who was let go by both City and Chelsea, and hadn't played any professional minutes. It took him 3 seasons with us to prove himself.
It's also got to be pretty rare to have a big, and make no mistake, £8m for a 16/17 year old with no first team experience is a big fee, plus a sell on clause.
Are we really suggesting we should have tried to give an untested kid a £15m release clause or something similar?
by Sutekh » 01 Nov 2022 09:13
StrandedStranded Not an ex player but looks like Paunovic could be in line for a return to management in Mexico with Chivas.
Now confirmed.
by Stranded » 01 Nov 2022 09:20
SutekhStrandedStranded Not an ex player but looks like Paunovic could be in line for a return to management in Mexico with Chivas.
Now confirmed.
To be exact the club he’s taken over at is actually called Club Deportivo Guadalajara. Las Chivas is the nickname. Guadalajara play in the top division in Mexico and, along with Club America, have a record of never having been relegated.
Guadalajara are currently 9th in the table having only had 1 draw from their last 4 but before that had picked up 16 points from 18 available so he goes to what looks to be a decent club currently. Their ground has a capacity of almost 50000 so there won’t be too much room to hide if things go wrong!
For the record, according to CONCACAF the Liga MX (top division in Mexico) draws the largest crowds on average of any football league in the Americas and the third largest crowds of any professional sports league in North America (only the NFL and the MLB (Basketball) better it) and is the 4th most attended football league in the world behind the Bundesliga, the Premier League and La Liga.
by Coppells Lost Coat » 01 Nov 2022 09:37
Snowflake RoyalSutekhYorkshireRoyal99 Interesting to see Mark Bowen echo similar comments to myself from a few months ago regarding Michael Olise's move to Palace, being that his buy-out clause was far too low for a player of his ability and potential, claiming that, had the situation have been managed differently, the outcome may be different as well. Granted, he has admitted that he wasn't involved in the talks between club, player, agent, familty etc regarding the original deal, but still feels it may have been managed differently to bring a better outcome rather than a "measly" £8m.
Bowen has also admitted that there is no sell on clause from the deal, meaning that we will miss out on any such larger fees should Olise move from Palace. Olise has been strongly linked with AC Milan in recent times for figures reported to be in and around £35-50m.
Arsene Wenger had met with both Vieira and Olise as well, where he says to Olise (in French) that he needs to score more goals to excel to the next level.
Really good work from the club there, not only screwing up on the value but also not getting a sell on clause. While I could maybe understand the former due to the player’s agent not wanting it too high, so as to lose any early interest, but I really don’t see how, with things as they were at the time, the club failed on the sell on front as well!
This all screams hindsight is 20/20.
When we signed him he was a talented youngster who was let go by both City and Chelsea, and hadn't played any professional minutes. It took him 3 seasons with us to prove himself.
It's also got to be pretty rare to have a big, and make no mistake, £8m for a 16/17 year old with no first team experience is a big fee, plus a sell on clause.
Are we really suggesting we should have tried to give an untested kid a £15m release clause or something similar?
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