by Horsham Royal » 24 Jan 2023 11:43
by tidus_mi2 » 24 Jan 2023 11:58
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Jan 2023 12:06
tidus_mi2 I absolutely think Lumley is part of the goals conceded problem, he's just not a very good goalkeeper, not even average, he ranks amongst the lowest when it comes to save % which to me, is the biggest marker of a good goalkeeper. Everyone below him has played at least 10 less games as well, suggesting they've been dropped but I don't know enough about those teams to confirm.
The defence needs wholesale changes in the summer, but I think part of the problem is playing square pegs in round wholes, Hoilett shouldn't be playing RWB, Yiadom shouldn't be playing CB, Holmes and McIntyre shouldn't be playing as full backs.
If we're going to look at someone in the summer what about the Rotherham goalkeeper Johansson if they go down? Most shots faced this season, 2nd highest save % so it would seem there is something about him but it looks like he's under contract until 2026.
by Millsy » 24 Jan 2023 12:18
tidus_mi2 I absolutely think Lumley is part of the goals conceded problem, he's just not a very good goalkeeper, not even average, he ranks amongst the lowest when it comes to save % which to me, is the biggest marker of a good goalkeeper. Everyone below him has played at least 10 less games as well, suggesting they've been dropped but I don't know enough about those teams to confirm.
by Hound » 24 Jan 2023 12:45
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Jan 2023 12:56
by Coppells Lost Coat » 24 Jan 2023 13:05
by Notts Royal » 24 Jan 2023 13:50
RoyalBlue I think both Holmes and McIntyre are decent young players but they need to be playing alongside experienced and, just as importantly, very vocal team-mates. Personally I don't see any of our current experienced defenders doing enough talking and organising on the pitch. Regardless of what faults he might have (I don't think there are many), you would always see Liam Moore talking his fellow defenders, particularly the younger ones, through a game.
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Jan 2023 14:14
by Sutekh » 24 Jan 2023 15:42
by RoyalBlue » 24 Jan 2023 15:45
URZZZZRoyalBlue I think both Holmes and McIntyre are decent young players but they need to be playing alongside experienced and, just as importantly, very vocal team-mates. Personally I don't see any of our current experienced defenders doing enough talking and organising on the pitch. Regardless of what faults he might have (I don't think there are many), you would always see Liam Moore talking his fellow defenders, particularly the younger ones, through a game.
Agreed with the first bit. Holmes has become a more commanding figure but I’m still not sure he’s there yet to be the “main one”. I don’t think we should be lining up a back three with Yiadom, Holmes and McIntyre. I still think McIntyre can make a better midfielder. His defensive flaws, I.e backing off his man too much and poor positioning to counteract a lack of pace aren’t improving enough
Don’t think Moore is the answer mind. He’s got a history of being better next to a more experienced player (Morrison and McShane spring to mind here). Not sure he should be the organiser of the defence. Hutchinson fills that void well but he can’t stay fit
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Jan 2023 15:58
Sutekh Presume there’s something in Rahman’s agreement that he has to play if he’s fit as NGW just seems so much better when he has got a game (plus he gives the option of a long throw though, for some reason, Reading seem averse to putting crosses into the box despite the likes of Carroll and Long often being in the same line up).
by Franchise FC » 24 Jan 2023 16:41
YorkshireRoyal99Sutekh Presume there’s something in Rahman’s agreement that he has to play if he’s fit as NGW just seems so much better when he has got a game (plus he gives the option of a long throw though, for some reason, Reading seem averse to putting crosses into the box despite the likes of Carroll and Long often being in the same line up).
I'm just wondering, what could this agreement actually be? I thought part of our EFL Business Plan was that we cannot agree any fee for players, including loan fees or clauses. Surely that means that we won't have to make a payment to Chelsea if we don't play Rahman in a certain amount of games because the EFL would have stepped in at that point? If it means that the club recall the player, then good because he's not exactly performing well and can give us more flexibility for another player.
I know it might mean damaging the relationship between ourselves and Chelsea but they aren't the only club with talented youngsters/players kicking about the PL. Miazga was a good player for us, but Rahman has been underwhelming. Do we really lose that much if that relationship was to break down due to a player underperforming for us?
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Jan 2023 16:42
Franchise FCYorkshireRoyal99Sutekh Presume there’s something in Rahman’s agreement that he has to play if he’s fit as NGW just seems so much better when he has got a game (plus he gives the option of a long throw though, for some reason, Reading seem averse to putting crosses into the box despite the likes of Carroll and Long often being in the same line up).
I'm just wondering, what could this agreement actually be? I thought part of our EFL Business Plan was that we cannot agree any fee for players, including loan fees or clauses. Surely that means that we won't have to make a payment to Chelsea if we don't play Rahman in a certain amount of games because the EFL would have stepped in at that point? If it means that the club recall the player, then good because he's not exactly performing well and can give us more flexibility for another player.
I know it might mean damaging the relationship between ourselves and Chelsea but they aren't the only club with talented youngsters/players kicking about the PL. Miazga was a good player for us, but Rahman has been underwhelming. Do we really lose that much if that relationship was to break down due to a player underperforming for us?
Chelsea will have a shedload of younger players with absolutely no chance of plying once they've finished their January spending.
Can't we just suggest a swap ? Joao Felix doesn't seem to be getting much game time
by Crowbar6753 » 24 Jan 2023 17:38
Notts RoyalRoyalBlue I think both Holmes and McIntyre are decent young players but they need to be playing alongside experienced and, just as importantly, very vocal team-mates. Personally I don't see any of our current experienced defenders doing enough talking and organising on the pitch. Regardless of what faults he might have (I don't think there are many), you would always see Liam Moore talking his fellow defenders, particularly the younger ones, through a game.
I agree with this. We seem weaker when they’re both in the team, 1 of them alongside an experienced pro in a 4-man defence would suit either better.
I originally thought TMac was the better player but Holmes seems to have surpassed him this season.
by Millsy » 24 Jan 2023 20:30
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Jan 2023 21:06
Crowbar6753Notts RoyalRoyalBlue I think both Holmes and McIntyre are decent young players but they need to be playing alongside experienced and, just as importantly, very vocal team-mates. Personally I don't see any of our current experienced defenders doing enough talking and organising on the pitch. Regardless of what faults he might have (I don't think there are many), you would always see Liam Moore talking his fellow defenders, particularly the younger ones, through a game.
I agree with this. We seem weaker when they’re both in the team, 1 of them alongside an experienced pro in a 4-man defence would suit either better.
I originally thought TMac was the better player but Holmes seems to have surpassed him this season.
Maybe there's a mental issue here also. Maybe because we play 5 at the back it's easy to think "We'll be fine, we have an extra body in here, they'll pick him up" some times you can over complicate things.
I loved playing in a back four, the full backs pretty much did there thing which left the two CB's to communicate easily with each other. Keep things simple!!
The plus side of only having the four at the back is freeing up a player to bolster the attack which is something we have been lacking recently.
Loving the idea of having TMac as a holding midfielder....he's to lightweight for a CB. The one player we really miss and in my opinion is the role model for any decent Championship CB is "Jake Cooper". He's Tall, Physically imposing, is good on the ball and an amazing target man in the box!!
I remember watching him play for us away at Sheff Weds and he was so classy on the ball and cleaned up everything, and we all know what he can do in the box, remember those two headed goals against Norwich!!
by Crowbar6753 » 24 Jan 2023 21:20
YorkshireRoyal99Crowbar6753Notts Royal
I agree with this. We seem weaker when they’re both in the team, 1 of them alongside an experienced pro in a 4-man defence would suit either better.
I originally thought TMac was the better player but Holmes seems to have surpassed him this season.
Maybe there's a mental issue here also. Maybe because we play 5 at the back it's easy to think "We'll be fine, we have an extra body in here, they'll pick him up" some times you can over complicate things.
I loved playing in a back four, the full backs pretty much did there thing which left the two CB's to communicate easily with each other. Keep things simple!!
The plus side of only having the four at the back is freeing up a player to bolster the attack which is something we have been lacking recently.
Loving the idea of having TMac as a holding midfielder....he's to lightweight for a CB. The one player we really miss and in my opinion is the role model for any decent Championship CB is "Jake Cooper". He's Tall, Physically imposing, is good on the ball and an amazing target man in the box!!
I remember watching him play for us away at Sheff Weds and he was so classy on the ball and cleaned up everything, and we all know what he can do in the box, remember those two headed goals against Norwich!!
I think switching back to a 4 could work. Just listened to an interesting piece by Sean Dyche on his time at Burnley and he said he used Jeff Hendrick as a 10 for his engine, creative pressing ability, creative runs from the front and a good eye for arriving in the box (also admitting that he and Jeff didn't think he scored as much as he should have). This was from the view of a defensive stand-point, but in terms of pressing from the front, being a better unit in midfield etc, I think it's something we could apply. Obviously Jeff's a fair bit older now.
That would then allow Loum and TMac to be our 2 sitters in midfield, protecting the defence, it means we could have some natural width higher up with Ince/Meite/Azeez and have a pick of our strikers from the front. Carroll for more direct balls, Long for the pressing aspect etc. It also might get a bit more out of Joao with players around him and having 2 sitting midfielders might mean more chance for NGW and a license to go forward, where his strengths are. Thinking of something like this:
Lumley
Yiadom Holmes Hutch(whoever) NGW
Loum McIntyre
Meite/Azeez Hendrick Ince
Carroll/Joao/Long
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Jan 2023 22:03
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 25 Jan 2023 08:37
Snowflake Royal Hendrick taking up Ince's position to push him out wide is one of the crazier ideas I've read on here.
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