by WestYorksRoyal » 03 Nov 2023 10:04
by Snowflake Royal » 03 Nov 2023 12:29
YorkshireRoyal99 Parachute payments only exist because people decide to spend so much on wages and transfer fees when they go up to begin with, if they didn't exist, then clubs would likely not be spending as much when going up, or it would be one hell of a gamble it they did.
It's a safety net for when people come down, so that clubs know they can spend more than what they would do without, unless they were being silly. Obviously an extremely difficult aspect to change now as it would cripple the 3 relegated clubs this season, however it would also make people think twice around the wages that would be offered and the length of contract given to said players.
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 03 Nov 2023 13:42
Snowflake RoyalYorkshireRoyal99 Parachute payments only exist because people decide to spend so much on wages and transfer fees when they go up to begin with, if they didn't exist, then clubs would likely not be spending as much when going up, or it would be one hell of a gamble it they did.
It's a safety net for when people come down, so that clubs know they can spend more than what they would do without, unless they were being silly. Obviously an extremely difficult aspect to change now as it would cripple the 3 relegated clubs this season, however it would also make people think twice around the wages that would be offered and the length of contract given to said players.
Clubs did it before they existed. They were brought in because so many clubs bet their existence on getting promoted / never getting relegated and were almost destroyed in the process.
It exists so the PL doesn't become a joke with all the promoted clubs beaten by 5 or 6 goals each week, or clubs don't immediately implode after relegation.
by Snowflake Royal » 03 Nov 2023 15:30
YorkshireRoyal99Snowflake RoyalYorkshireRoyal99 Parachute payments only exist because people decide to spend so much on wages and transfer fees when they go up to begin with, if they didn't exist, then clubs would likely not be spending as much when going up, or it would be one hell of a gamble it they did.
It's a safety net for when people come down, so that clubs know they can spend more than what they would do without, unless they were being silly. Obviously an extremely difficult aspect to change now as it would cripple the 3 relegated clubs this season, however it would also make people think twice around the wages that would be offered and the length of contract given to said players.
Clubs did it before they existed. They were brought in because so many clubs bet their existence on getting promoted / never getting relegated and were almost destroyed in the process.
It exists so the PL doesn't become a joke with all the promoted clubs beaten by 5 or 6 goals each week, or clubs don't immediately implode after relegation.
As opposed to what, the gap being considered wider than it's ever been this season? Look at the current bottom 3.
Clubs wouldn't immediately implode if they weren't offering out wages that they knew they couldn't sustain a year later, it would certainly effect the financial power of what they could offer as well as length of contracts. I'm not suggesting that it doesn't make the PL stronger, it obviously does with it's financial power and I can't see it massively changing at all.
Before the parachute payments existed, how many clubs went bust in the Championship due to spending too much in the Premier League? Wimbledon and that's for a different situation. Bringing in parachute payments has probably weakened the financial position of more clubs than what it hasn't over the years by clubs gambling to reach the Premier League and then suffering as a result.
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 03 Nov 2023 15:34
Snowflake RoyalYorkshireRoyal99Snowflake Royal Clubs did it before they existed. They were brought in because so many clubs bet their existence on getting promoted / never getting relegated and were almost destroyed in the process.
It exists so the PL doesn't become a joke with all the promoted clubs beaten by 5 or 6 goals each week, or clubs don't immediately implode after relegation.
As opposed to what, the gap being considered wider than it's ever been this season? Look at the current bottom 3.
Clubs wouldn't immediately implode if they weren't offering out wages that they knew they couldn't sustain a year later, it would certainly effect the financial power of what they could offer as well as length of contracts. I'm not suggesting that it doesn't make the PL stronger, it obviously does with it's financial power and I can't see it massively changing at all.
Before the parachute payments existed, how many clubs went bust in the Championship due to spending too much in the Premier League? Wimbledon and that's a different situation. Bringing in parachute payments has probably weakened the financial position of more clubs than what it hasn't over the years by clubs gambling to reach the Premier League and then suffering as a result.
The same as have gone bust with it. None. But there were lots in huge trouble. As there are starting to be again. Because clubs don't plan for failure, they gamble and hope.
If clubs going up to the PL do so on high championship budgets, they just won't attract players.
The entire problem is the collosal bullshit that is hoarded wealth by PL clubs. Until you solve that, parachutes or not, it's the same shit show.
by Sutekh » 03 Nov 2023 17:41
by WestYorksRoyal » 03 Nov 2023 18:00
YorkshireRoyal99Snowflake RoyalYorkshireRoyal99
As opposed to what, the gap being considered wider than it's ever been this season? Look at the current bottom 3.
Clubs wouldn't immediately implode if they weren't offering out wages that they knew they couldn't sustain a year later, it would certainly effect the financial power of what they could offer as well as length of contracts. I'm not suggesting that it doesn't make the PL stronger, it obviously does with it's financial power and I can't see it massively changing at all.
Before the parachute payments existed, how many clubs went bust in the Championship due to spending too much in the Premier League? Wimbledon and that's a different situation. Bringing in parachute payments has probably weakened the financial position of more clubs than what it hasn't over the years by clubs gambling to reach the Premier League and then suffering as a result.
The same as have gone bust with it. None. But there were lots in huge trouble. As there are starting to be again. Because clubs don't plan for failure, they gamble and hope.
If clubs going up to the PL do so on high championship budgets, they just won't attract players.
The entire problem is the collosal bullshit that is hoarded wealth by PL clubs. Until you solve that, parachutes or not, it's the same shit show.
They will always attract players, but maybe not the same calibre of player. From a financial perspective, perhaps that is better for clubs? As you say, clubs gamble and hope, but you can do that with or without parachute payments.
But yes, the wealth of the PL is killing the rest of the pyramid.
by Sutekh » 04 Nov 2023 09:22
WestYorksRoyalYorkshireRoyal99Snowflake Royal The same as have gone bust with it. None. But there were lots in huge trouble. As there are starting to be again. Because clubs don't plan for failure, they gamble and hope.
If clubs going up to the PL do so on high championship budgets, they just won't attract players.
The entire problem is the collosal bullshit that is hoarded wealth by PL clubs. Until you solve that, parachutes or not, it's the same shit show.
They will always attract players, but maybe not the same calibre of player. From a financial perspective, perhaps that is better for clubs? As you say, clubs gamble and hope, but you can do that with or without parachute payments.
But yes, the wealth of the PL is killing the rest of the pyramid.
I mean, define "killing". The quality of the lower leagues is a different level to pre-PL days; I think the standard of professional football as a whole in this country is the envy of other countries. And the PL and the money it brings in is a big part of this.
It's the lack of regulation that is the issue. Stop pussyfooting about with politics; the regulator should enforce better sharing of wealth and stronger financial controls. Of course, won't happen. The big clubs used to lobby that a regulator was unnecessary. They have resoundingly lost that argument, so are now refocusing their energy to limiting its powers and making it a paper tiger when it arrives.
by Sutekh » 06 Nov 2023 10:46
by Dirk Gently » 06 Nov 2023 14:13
Sutekh Good COMMUNICATION from the Donald Sindon chairman after the Aldershot debacle
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/20 ... m-morfuni/
Remember the days when Reading had a chairman who would issue a statement to the fans?
I have been having discussions with Michael Flynn and Jamie Russell regarding strengthening our squad in the January transfer window, which I will personally be overviewing.
by From Despair To Where? » 07 Nov 2023 17:56
by genome » 17 Nov 2023 12:29
by Whore Jackie » 17 Nov 2023 12:33
genome Everton docked 10 points
by Stranded » 17 Nov 2023 12:40
by WestYorksRoyal » 17 Nov 2023 13:14
Whore Jackiegenome Everton docked 10 points
Opens the door for Burnley, Leeds and Leicester to sue Everton for relegation damages.
by Who Moved The Goalposts? » 17 Nov 2023 13:38
WestYorksRoyalWhore Jackiegenome Everton docked 10 points
Opens the door for Burnley, Leeds and Leicester to sue Everton for relegation damages.
This. Everton have chosen a great season for the punishments because the 3 promoted teams are so poor and Dyche is a good manager. Any of the last 2 seasons, this would have been fatal.
PL have set a precedent here though. The City case is bigger and more complicated. If they get off lightly at the end of it, the PL will need to explain why.
by Stranded » 17 Nov 2023 13:58
WestYorksRoyalWhore Jackiegenome Everton docked 10 points
Opens the door for Burnley, Leeds and Leicester to sue Everton for relegation damages.
This. Everton have chosen a great season for the punishments because the 3 promoted teams are so poor and Dyche is a good manager. Any of the last 2 seasons, this would have been fatal.
PL have set a precedent here though. The City case is bigger and more complicated. If they get off lightly at the end of it, the PL will need to explain why.
by WestYorksRoyal » 17 Nov 2023 14:09
Who Moved The Goalposts?WestYorksRoyalWhore Jackie
Opens the door for Burnley, Leeds and Leicester to sue Everton for relegation damages.
This. Everton have chosen a great season for the punishments because the 3 promoted teams are so poor and Dyche is a good manager. Any of the last 2 seasons, this would have been fatal.
PL have set a precedent here though. The City case is bigger and more complicated. If they get off lightly at the end of it, the PL will need to explain why.
City will get off scot free. It will have nothing to do with justice, fairness or legality but everything to do with money, power and influence, of which the owners have an almost unlimited supply.
by Silver Fox » 17 Nov 2023 14:25
Whore Jackiegenome Everton docked 10 points
Opens the door for Burnley, Leeds and Leicester to sue Everton for relegation damages.
by WestYorksRoyal » 17 Nov 2023 14:29
Silver FoxWhore Jackiegenome Everton docked 10 points
Opens the door for Burnley, Leeds and Leicester to sue Everton for relegation damages.
People always say this will happen when someone gets a deduction and as yet nothing has happened, probably because it's going to be impossible to prove they'd have stayed up without whatever the offending club doing what they did
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