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Re: Hunt out.

by leon » 15 Sep 2025 09:33

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SouthDownsRoyal Hunt won’t get us promoted, this season or next, nice guy and he has stepped into the breach (twice) but it’s just treading water.

So it’s a waiting game for couhig, do it soon? Do it around Christmas? Do it next summer?

A lot may come down to paying off the contract. It will need to be done at some point.

They've also said they want stability. Sacking the manager wouldn't be in line with that. He didn't change the manager for the entire time he was at Wycombe, albeit they were relatively successful and Ainsworth was there for many years before he turned up.


Indeed, I think he will be kept.


not so sure - get to mid October and we're still in trouble there will be serious questions getting asked. The owners aren't interested in sentimentality and a trip to L2 is not part of the plan.

Relying on one player coming back and fixing everything is hardly a strategy. Hunt needs to show that he's learning from mistakes - I'm just not sure he is.

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Re: Hunt out.

by SouthDownsRoyal » 15 Sep 2025 10:49

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Clyde1998 They've also said they want stability. Sacking the manager wouldn't be in line with that. He didn't change the manager for the entire time he was at Wycombe, albeit they were relatively successful and Ainsworth was there for many years before he turned up.


Indeed, I think he will be kept.


not so sure - get to mid October and we're still in trouble there will be serious questions getting asked. The owners aren't interested in sentimentality and a trip to L2 is not part of the plan.

Relying on one player coming back and fixing everything is hardly a strategy. Hunt needs to show that he's learning from mistakes - I'm just not sure he is.


But it could be a great reset for the club?

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Re: Hunt out.

by Sutekh » 15 Sep 2025 11:05

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Indeed, I think he will be kept.


not so sure - get to mid October and we're still in trouble there will be serious questions getting asked. The owners aren't interested in sentimentality and a trip to L2 is not part of the plan.

Relying on one player coming back and fixing everything is hardly a strategy. Hunt needs to show that he's learning from mistakes - I'm just not sure he is.


But it could be a great reset for the club?


Getting into the National League would be better for a proper reset, could benefit the entire area as well with league games v Maidenhead, Slough and Bracknell a possibility.

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Re: Hunt out.

by WestYorksRoyal » 15 Sep 2025 11:49

Maybe one for ex-players thread, but it looks like Parkinson could leave Wrexham without quick improvements.

If Hunt did get sacked, there is a Reading legend who you would back to bring immediate improvements to the team. However, football would be "pragmatic" and if he did get us promoted in a couple of years, his Championship record is dire.

Maybe worth rolling the dice on potential with a higher ceiling?

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Re: Hunt out.

by tidus_mi2 » 15 Sep 2025 12:22

WestYorksRoyal Maybe one for ex-players thread, but it looks like Parkinson could leave Wrexham without quick improvements.

If Hunt did get sacked, there is a Reading legend who you would back to bring immediate improvements to the team. However, football would be "pragmatic" and if he did get us promoted in a couple of years, his Championship record is dire.

Maybe worth rolling the dice on potential with a higher ceiling?

Parky appears to be a bit of dinosaur when it comes to style of play, would be a complete departure from the sort of players we have at our disposal and the same tactics Hunt is getting pelters for for seemingly reverting to in a panic.

And as you say, he has never made the step up beyond the third tier which appears to be happening again with Wrexham.


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Re: Hunt out.

by Snowflake Royal » 15 Sep 2025 12:24

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Clyde1998 They've also said they want stability. Sacking the manager wouldn't be in line with that. He didn't change the manager for the entire time he was at Wycombe, albeit they were relatively successful and Ainsworth was there for many years before he turned up.


Indeed, I think he will be kept.


not so sure - get to mid October and we're still in trouble there will be serious questions getting asked. The owners aren't interested in sentimentality and a trip to L2 is not part of the plan.

Relying on one player coming back and fixing everything is hardly a strategy. Hunt needs to show that he's learning from mistakes - I'm just not sure he is.

Went to go into the season with O'Connor as main CB and MOM main striker.

O'Connor gets injured, quickly brings in Williams. Williams our best defender.

MOM struggling and missing chances, brings in Marriott. Marriott scores 2 in 2 starts.

Start the season firing blanks. Now scoring in each game. 5 in past 3 in league. 9 in last 5 all comps.

Played Wing, Fraser, Savage in midfield. Didn't work. Reset the balance to Wing, Elliott, Savage, working better, but still in progress.

Hunt is certainly tweaking things. Some things improve, some still an issue. Results still some way off but the defeats are narrowing and we're giving ourselves a chance.

No one knows if he'll get it right and it'll come off, but I think it's clear that he is making improvements, and his recent team selections have had very little to criticise, based on what he has available.

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Re: Hunt out.

by Armadillo Roadkill » 15 Sep 2025 16:40

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Indeed, I think he will be kept.


not so sure - get to mid October and we're still in trouble there will be serious questions getting asked. The owners aren't interested in sentimentality and a trip to L2 is not part of the plan.

Relying on one player coming back and fixing everything is hardly a strategy. Hunt needs to show that he's learning from mistakes - I'm just not sure he is.

Went to go into the season with O'Connor as main CB and MOM main striker.

O'Connor gets injured, quickly brings in Williams. Williams our best defender.

MOM struggling and missing chances, brings in Marriott. Marriott scores 2 in 2 starts.

Start the season firing blanks. Now scoring in each game. 5 in past 3 in league. 9 in last 5 all comps.

Played Wing, Fraser, Savage in midfield. Didn't work. Reset the balance to Wing, Elliott, Savage, working better, but still in progress.

Hunt is certainly tweaking things. Some things improve, some still an issue. Results still some way off but the defeats are narrowing and we're giving ourselves a chance.

No one knows if he'll get it right and it'll come off, but I think it's clear that he is making improvements, and his recent team selections have had very little to criticise, based on what he has available.


This is all true, but there is only one thing that matters, and that's winning games and climbing the table. If the results and the league position do not improve considerably by mid-October (at the latest), he will be replaced.

It's hammered home as a cliché all the time, but it's a results business.

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Re: Hunt out.

by Snowflake Royal » 15 Sep 2025 17:15

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not so sure - get to mid October and we're still in trouble there will be serious questions getting asked. The owners aren't interested in sentimentality and a trip to L2 is not part of the plan.

Relying on one player coming back and fixing everything is hardly a strategy. Hunt needs to show that he's learning from mistakes - I'm just not sure he is.

Went to go into the season with O'Connor as main CB and MOM main striker.

O'Connor gets injured, quickly brings in Williams. Williams our best defender.

MOM struggling and missing chances, brings in Marriott. Marriott scores 2 in 2 starts.

Start the season firing blanks. Now scoring in each game. 5 in past 3 in league. 9 in last 5 all comps.

Played Wing, Fraser, Savage in midfield. Didn't work. Reset the balance to Wing, Elliott, Savage, working better, but still in progress.

Hunt is certainly tweaking things. Some things improve, some still an issue. Results still some way off but the defeats are narrowing and we're giving ourselves a chance.

No one knows if he'll get it right and it'll come off, but I think it's clear that he is making improvements, and his recent team selections have had very little to criticise, based on what he has available.


This is all true, but there is only one thing that matters, and that's winning games and climbing the table. If the results and the league position do not improve considerably by mid-October (at the latest), he will be replaced.

It's hammered home as a cliché all the time, but it's a results business.

Of course. But we're seven games in, not 15.

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Re: Hunt out.

by Mid Sussex Royal » 15 Sep 2025 17:24

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Snowflake Royal Went to go into the season with O'Connor as main CB and MOM main striker.

O'Connor gets injured, quickly brings in Williams. Williams our best defender.

MOM struggling and missing chances, brings in Marriott. Marriott scores 2 in 2 starts.

Start the season firing blanks. Now scoring in each game. 5 in past 3 in league. 9 in last 5 all comps.

Played Wing, Fraser, Savage in midfield. Didn't work. Reset the balance to Wing, Elliott, Savage, working better, but still in progress.

Hunt is certainly tweaking things. Some things improve, some still an issue. Results still some way off but the defeats are narrowing and we're giving ourselves a chance.

No one knows if he'll get it right and it'll come off, but I think it's clear that he is making improvements, and his recent team selections have had very little to criticise, based on what he has available.


This is all true, but there is only one thing that matters, and that's winning games and climbing the table. If the results and the league position do not improve considerably by mid-October (at the latest), he will be replaced.

It's hammered home as a cliché all the time, but it's a results business.

Of course. But we're seven games in, not 15.


We are 10 games in mid Oct with the next international break. That's how long I give Hunt with winnable home games coming up.


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Re: Hunt out.

by Sutekh » 15 Sep 2025 17:42

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This is all true, but there is only one thing that matters, and that's winning games and climbing the table. If the results and the league position do not improve considerably by mid-October (at the latest), he will be replaced.

It's hammered home as a cliché all the time, but it's a results business.

Of course. But we're seven games in, not 15.


We are 10 games in mid Oct with the next international break. That's how long I give Hunt with winnable home games coming up.


Winnable? Reading haven’t beaten Orient anywhere yet since relegation! Last season Orient had lost 4 in a row and were without a point at the bottom of the table but still collected a win here without too much trouble, so possibly not quite the home banker anyone might be thinking it is.

Mansfield is the other home league game before the break and they’re flying high, much like they were last season when they visited so might be the better bet of the two for a win given we managed it last season.

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Re: Hunt out.

by Mid Sussex Royal » 15 Sep 2025 18:09

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We are 10 games in mid Oct with the next international break. That's how long I give Hunt with winnable home games coming up.


Winnable? Reading haven’t beaten Orient anywhere yet since relegation! Last season Orient had lost 4 in a row and were without a point at the bottom of the table but still collected a win here without too much trouble, so possibly not quite the home banker anyone might be thinking it is.

Mansfield is the other home league game before the break and they’re flying high, much like they were last season when they visited so might be the better bet of the two for a win given we managed it last season.


Agree record re Orient is dire, but this isn't the Orient from last season.....Charlie Wellens is getting game time.

We need 4 points from these 2 homes given Stockport is a loss.

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Re: Hunt out.

by West F » 15 Sep 2025 18:23

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Snowflake Royal Of course. But we're seven games in, not 15.


We are 10 games in mid Oct with the next international break. That's how long I give Hunt with winnable home games coming up.


Winnable? Reading haven’t beaten Orient anywhere yet since relegation! Last season Orient had lost 4 in a row and were without a point at the bottom of the table but still collected a win here without too much trouble, so possibly not quite the home banker anyone might be thinking it is.

Mansfield is the other home league game before the break and they’re flying high, much like they were last season when they visited so might be the better bet of the two for a win given we managed it last season.


They won’t have to face Boyce Clark this time. Still think he did well to get out of the way of Kelman’s shot. It looked all ends up that it was going to hit him.

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Re: Hunt out.

by Extended-Phenotype » 15 Sep 2025 21:19

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Indeed, I think he will be kept.


not so sure - get to mid October and we're still in trouble there will be serious questions getting asked. The owners aren't interested in sentimentality and a trip to L2 is not part of the plan.

Relying on one player coming back and fixing everything is hardly a strategy. Hunt needs to show that he's learning from mistakes - I'm just not sure he is.

Went to go into the season with O'Connor as main CB and MOM main striker.

O'Connor gets injured, quickly brings in Williams. Williams our best defender.

MOM struggling and missing chances, brings in Marriott. Marriott scores 2 in 2 starts.

Start the season firing blanks. Now scoring in each game. 5 in past 3 in league. 9 in last 5 all comps.

Played Wing, Fraser, Savage in midfield. Didn't work. Reset the balance to Wing, Elliott, Savage, working better, but still in progress.

Hunt is certainly tweaking things. Some things improve, some still an issue. Results still some way off but the defeats are narrowing and we're giving ourselves a chance.

No one knows if he'll get it right and it'll come off, but I think it's clear that he is making improvements, and his recent team selections have had very little to criticise, based on what he has available.


I think it’s fair to say Hunt is quite capable of changing up the personnel to fit his gameplan (and, for the most part, the changes have been positive - if marginal). The question is, can he change up his gameplan to better fit the personnel? Because while I’m an advocate for giving him time and have felt all this “Hunt out” is a little premature given the circumstances, I’d like to have seen some indication that he is capable and willing to change the system and tactics.

Are we looking at a poor start because ex players have left a hole and new players are bedding in? Or is it because we are incredibly one dimensional both during games and from game-to-game, relying on a system that isn’t up to task? Probably a bit of both.

Feels a bit like he is on thin ice now. Does he stick and hope the players click and the results come? Or does he twist and try something a bit different? If the latter, what is that exactly?


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Re: Hunt out.

by Snowflake Royal » 15 Sep 2025 22:23

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not so sure - get to mid October and we're still in trouble there will be serious questions getting asked. The owners aren't interested in sentimentality and a trip to L2 is not part of the plan.

Relying on one player coming back and fixing everything is hardly a strategy. Hunt needs to show that he's learning from mistakes - I'm just not sure he is.

Went to go into the season with O'Connor as main CB and MOM main striker.

O'Connor gets injured, quickly brings in Williams. Williams our best defender.

MOM struggling and missing chances, brings in Marriott. Marriott scores 2 in 2 starts.

Start the season firing blanks. Now scoring in each game. 5 in past 3 in league. 9 in last 5 all comps.

Played Wing, Fraser, Savage in midfield. Didn't work. Reset the balance to Wing, Elliott, Savage, working better, but still in progress.

Hunt is certainly tweaking things. Some things improve, some still an issue. Results still some way off but the defeats are narrowing and we're giving ourselves a chance.

No one knows if he'll get it right and it'll come off, but I think it's clear that he is making improvements, and his recent team selections have had very little to criticise, based on what he has available.


I think it’s fair to say Hunt is quite capable of changing up the personnel to fit his gameplan (and, for the most part, the changes have been positive - if marginal). The question is, can he change up his gameplan to better fit the personnel? Because while I’m an advocate for giving him time and have felt all this “Hunt out” is a little premature given the circumstances, I’d like to have seen some indication that he is capable and willing to change the system and tactics.

Are we looking at a poor start because ex players have left a hole and new players are bedding in? Or is it because we are incredibly one dimensional both during games and from game-to-game, relying on a system that isn’t up to task? Probably a bit of both.

Feels a bit like he is on thin ice now. Does he stick and hope the players click and the results come? Or does he twist and try something a bit different? If the latter, what is that exactly?

Given he's only really had his preferred front three available for a couple of games, hasn't had his preferred CB available at all and hasn't quite found the right combination to work in midfield yet, I think it would be very early to consider changing tactics significantly.

It's not a case like it was under Selles where the system was clearly flawed and not working. With 4-2-2-2 we couldn't progress forward, we scored 9 goals in 11 games. You could see the passing lanes were too limited and just constantly blocked, there was no width.

We're playing the same way as last season largely, which we know can work. Currently, the balance isn't quite right and the defence in particular is a problem. But it's a case of relatively small things to get it running well.

I hate the modern approach of play one way no matter who you have in your squad and how it's going, but at the same time binning a system as soon as you lose a few games is as stupid as sacking a manager for the same reason.

What are the alternatives? 5-3-2 - not sure we have the CBs and wing backs for that, and it's a waste of all the wide forwards. 4-4-2? Ok, so which midfielder do you drop for MOM/Kelvin? Our midfield already gets played through a bit too much at times, I don't think that does anything to stop that, and I don't think it does a lot to help the defence, maybe the fullbacks get a bit more support. 4-5-1? It's much the same as the 4-3-3, but maybe more defensive and less creative.

Agree if he gets to 10 games and we're on less than 9 points he's in trouble. And if it doesn't pick up quickly after that he'll be gone. But then's the time to think about it. Not game 3, 5 or 7.

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Re: Hunt out.

by Jackson Corner » 15 Sep 2025 22:47

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WestYorksRoyal Maybe one for ex-players thread, but it looks like Parkinson could leave Wrexham without quick improvements.

If Hunt did get sacked, there is a Reading legend who you would back to bring immediate improvements to the team. However, football would be "pragmatic" and if he did get us promoted in a couple of years, his Championship record is dire.

Maybe worth rolling the dice on potential with a higher ceiling?

Parky appears to be a bit of dinosaur when it comes to style of play, would be a complete departure from the sort of players we have at our disposal and the same tactics Hunt is getting pelters for for seemingly reverting to in a panic.

And as you say, he has never made the step up beyond the third tier which appears to be happening again with Wrexham.

I doubt he would take a 90% drop in wages.

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