MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (a)

[leon]

Well, he has a fairly laconic style. And he's not an all action run his heart out on lost causes type. Though he does put in a shift.

Plus, he's black and there is that tendency for black players to be described as lazy more than white players.

Is that last bit is aimed at my comments? If so I’d like you to take it back please.

My issue is he doesn’t win 50 50s when the ball is loose or chase down. It’s frustrating. To say I think black players are lazy is an unacceptable accusation.

I think he’s a good player but not suited to what he’s being asked to do.

Not aimed at anyone specific leon.

And, not all bias is conscious.

Are you accusing me of being a racist Ian?

Yes or No?

[Extended-Phenotype]

Seems a bit much to suggest criticism of Kelvin is racially motivated. For my part, what makes me call him “low effort” is that he never seems to chase the ball and more often than not you will see the ball drift past him without so much as a flinch towards it.

I appreciate the world needs to be on its guard for anterior motives and dog whistles, but it also needs to avoid attributing racism to every criticism of people of colour.

[Hound]

For my part, what makes me call him “low effort” is that he never seems to chase the ball and more often than not you will see the ball drift past him without so much as a flinch towards it.

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This just isn’t close to being true imo

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Is that last bit is aimed at my comments? If so I’d like you to take it back please.

My issue is he doesn’t win 50 50s when the ball is loose or chase down. It’s frustrating. To say I think black players are lazy is an unacceptable accusation.

I think he’s a good player but not suited to what he’s being asked to do.

Not aimed at anyone specific leon.

And, not all bias is conscious.

Are you accusing me of being a racist Ian?

Yes or No?

Of course he's not. Ian's point generally stands that black players tend to get accused of being lazy more that white players. Like it's become an intuitional thing

[Snowflake Royal]

Is that last bit is aimed at my comments? If so I’d like you to take it back please.

My issue is he doesn’t win 50 50s when the ball is loose or chase down. It’s frustrating. To say I think black players are lazy is an unacceptable accusation.

I think he’s a good player but not suited to what he’s being asked to do.

Not aimed at anyone specific leon.

And, not all bias is conscious.

Are you accusing me of being a racist Ian?

Yes or No?

Wind your neck in leon, I already answered that.

[leon]

Not aimed at anyone specific leon.

And, not all bias is conscious.

Are you accusing me of being a racist Ian?

Yes or No?

Wind your neck in leon, I already answered that.

By inferring I was unconsciously biased against black players? Otherwise why even mention it?

I knew some dickhead would make a comment like that but it coming from the most opinionated and dogmatic poster on this board is as laughable as it is unsurprising.

[leon]

Not aimed at anyone specific leon.

And, not all bias is conscious.

Are you accusing me of being a racist Ian?

Yes or No?

Of course he's not. Ian's point generally stands that black players tend to get accused of being lazy more that white players. Like it's become an intuitional thing

I think he can answer for himself JMW.

[Extended-Phenotype]

For my part, what makes me call him “low effort” is that he never seems to chase the ball and more often than not you will see the ball drift past him without so much as a flinch towards it.

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This just isn’t close to being true imo

I appreciate we all see different things when we watch a game, and sometimes because we are aware of something we tend to look for it more, but I keep seeing it. He’s just rooted to the ground. He won’t even stretch out a leg for it. It stands out for me, because I have never seen a player behave as unresponsive as that. You usually see people dying to get the ball. To me it feels like if he can avoid touching the ball the whole game, he will.

[Hound]

For my part, what makes me call him “low effort” is that he never seems to chase the ball and more often than not you will see the ball drift past him without so much as a flinch towards it.

.

This just isn’t close to being true imo

I appreciate we all see different things when we watch a game, and sometimes because we are aware of something we tend to look for it more, but I keep seeing it. He’s just rooted to the ground. He won’t even stretch out a leg for it. It stands out for me, because I have never seen a player behave as unresponsive as that. You usually see people dying to get the ball. To me it feels like if he can avoid touching the ball the whole game, he will.

Yes happy to agree to disagree

Though tbf you’ve come closer to describing my mate Marriott there to me but that’s one for another day

[Snowflake Royal]

Are you accusing me of being a racist Ian?

Yes or No?

Wind your neck in leon, I already answered that.

By inferring I was unconsciously biased against black players? Otherwise why even mention it?

I knew some dickhead would make a comment like that but it coming from the most opinionated and dogmatic poster on this board is as laughable as it is unsurprising.

Not everything is about you leon. In fact, almost nothing is about you.

We should all be open to the possibility of unconscious bias. Otherwise how can we identify our blindspots and counter act them.

You might be surprised by what you might have implicit associations for without knowing it. I certainly was.

[Extended-Phenotype]

This just isn’t close to being true imo

I appreciate we all see different things when we watch a game, and sometimes because we are aware of something we tend to look for it more, but I keep seeing it. He’s just rooted to the ground. He won’t even stretch out a leg for it. It stands out for me, because I have never seen a player behave as unresponsive as that. You usually see people dying to get the ball. To me it feels like if he can avoid touching the ball the whole game, he will.

Yes happy to agree to disagree

Though tbf you’ve come closer to describing my mate Marriott there to me but that’s one for another day

lol, possibly. Though the advantage of Marriott is he scores goals. I’m not sure what Kelvin is contributing. I guess he’s still young-ish, and maybe there is more to come, but it feels like we’ve been waiting a long time for him to click. We still don’t even know where his best position is!

[leon]

Wind your neck in leon, I already answered that.

By inferring I was unconsciously biased against black players? Otherwise why even mention it?

I knew some dickhead would make a comment like that but it coming from the most opinionated and dogmatic poster on this board is as laughable as it is unsurprising.

Not everything is about you leon. In fact, almost nothing is about you.

We should all be open to the possibility of unconscious bias. Otherwise how can we identify our blindspots and counter act them.

You might be surprised by what you might have implicit associations for without knowing it. I certainly was.

As an extremely equal opportunities employer for the past 20+ years I appreciate your support Ian!

Not everything is about you leon. In fact, almost nothing is about you.

Now you know how much this isn't true, but you do make me laugh Ian!

[Hound]

I appreciate we all see different things when we watch a game, and sometimes because we are aware of something we tend to look for it more, but I keep seeing it. He’s just rooted to the ground. He won’t even stretch out a leg for it. It stands out for me, because I have never by seen a player behave as unresponsive as that. You usually see people dying to get the ball. To me it feels like if he can avoid touching the ball the whole game, he will.

Yes happy to agree to disagree

Though tbf you’ve come closer to describing my mate Marriott there to me but that’s one for another day

lol, possibly. Though the advantage of Marriott is he scores goals. I’m not sure what Kelvin is contributing. I guess he’s still young-ish, and maybe there is more to come, but it feels like we’ve been waiting a long time for him to click. We still don’t even know where his best position is!

He certainly isn’t quite fulfilling his potential yet. My main criticism is his finishing really - thinking back over the last 4/5 games he’s had and missed some serious chances. Not sure if that is mental or technical. He had two off the line Saturday which he should have scored, those two against Rotherham, should have scored that header vs Stevenage when Savage scored, header vs Carlisle…

I think he’s all round game has been pretty good and had he scored a couple of those hed be getting a lot more praise

[WestYorksRoyal]

He scores the occasional great goal but not the routine ones you need your striker to put away.

[Orion1871]

For my part, what makes me call him “low effort” is that he never seems to chase the ball and more often than not you will see the ball drift past him without so much as a flinch towards it.

.

This just isn’t close to being true imo

I appreciate we all see different things when we watch a game, and sometimes because we are aware of something we tend to look for it more, but I keep seeing it. He’s just rooted to the ground. He won’t even stretch out a leg for it. It stands out for me, because I have never seen a player behave as unresponsive as that. You usually see people dying to get the ball. To me it feels like if he can avoid touching the ball the whole game, he will.

He's intercepted the ball high up the pitch a number of times in recent weeks, so that just isn't true. He also made runs into the channels against Rotherham including the one where he put the ball just wide.

[Hound]

He scores the occasional great goal but not the routine ones you need your striker to put away.

I think those chances mentioned, had he scored you’d say they were all really good proper striker goals. But he missed the bloody lot of them. Lucky two ended in a goal anyway