MATCHWATCH : Burton Albion (a)

[stealthpapes]

their goals

1 - no right back, no one tracking the run really, really soft

2 - literally no challenge on the first ball, no one tracking the run, maybe offside.

3 - oy. va, vey. the moment they break on the 3 on 3, we're in trouble.

[windermereROYAL]

their goals

1 - no right back, no one tracking the run really, really soft

2 - literally no challenge on the first ball, no one tracking the run, maybe offside.

3 - oy. va, vey. the moment they break on the 3 on 3, we're in trouble.

1- Bindon caught out of position diving in for an unsuccessful tackle leaving us light at the back, their guy against Garcia, no contest.

2- No maybe offside about it, clearly at least a yard, how a pro linesman could miss that was beyond belief.

3-Once Wing missed out in midfield we were in deep poo, but the guy unmarked at the back post for a tap in was Sunday morning park football stuff.

[RoyalBlue]

To be fair to Hunt, anyone in his job right now has absolutely nowhere to hide. There's no hiding behind some expensive transfers, no yearly refresh of players, there's no blaming the previous coach. It's purely down to tactics, training and man management. He's still inexperienced at first team management, so it's a baptism of fire. I do think he'll come good, given time. He needs to see what areas he's less strong at in order to improve those areas.

To be fair to Hunt.
P10, W3, D2, L5
Selles first 10:
W3, D1, L6

And Selles went on to get 1 point from his next 6 games.

Report card after 10 games, certainly improvement needed. But it's still over a point a game. Which would see us safe with a points deduction.

But Noel inherited a first team squad. which despite being lacking in numbers, had been well-coached and was performing really well. He was familiar with that squad and they were familiar with him. He was also familiar with the style of play coached by his predecessor.

Selles had virtually nothing to start of with. He was still trying to assemble a squad and work out who could do what during much of his first ten games.

I have no doubt at all that Noel is giving his absolute all to the job but he's not a Ruben Selles. Selles is probably something of a one-off, as evidenced by what Harlee Dean has said about his coaching style, techniques and tactics.

[RoyalBlue]

I watched on TV with BBCRB commentary.

I heard this exchange around the 85th minute:

Tim: Savage hasn't stopped running. Amazing. He must have covered 9-10km

Glenn Little: I remember when I was playing, I'd run about 10... Not km, the other one

Tim: miles?

Glenn: maybe, it may be miles. Yea I ran 10 miles in a game ... Or is it miles?

Tim: could it be furlongs?

He meant 10 feet.

Yep. it would have been a typical Blakie tongue in cheek remark that flew straight over TD's head!

This is the furthest he ever ran in a game!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2DyqBBcPtc

[Fezza]

The whole second half we were very very loose at the back, a complete lack of shape, leaving us wide open.

[Snowflake Royal]

To be fair to Hunt, anyone in his job right now has absolutely nowhere to hide. There's no hiding behind some expensive transfers, no yearly refresh of players, there's no blaming the previous coach. It's purely down to tactics, training and man management. He's still inexperienced at first team management, so it's a baptism of fire. I do think he'll come good, given time. He needs to see what areas he's less strong at in order to improve those areas.

To be fair to Hunt.
P10, W3, D2, L5
Selles first 10:
W3, D1, L6

And Selles went on to get 1 point from his next 6 games.

Report card after 10 games, certainly improvement needed. But it's still over a point a game. Which would see us safe with a points deduction.

But Noel inherited a first team squad. which despite being lacking in numbers, had been well-coached and was performing really well. He was familiar with that squad and they were familiar with him. He was also familiar with the style of play coached by his predecessor.

Selles had virtually nothing to start of with. He was still trying to assemble a squad and work out who could do what during much of his first ten games.

I have no doubt at all that Noel is giving his absolute all to the job but he's not a Ruben Selles. Selles is probably something of a one-off, as evidenced by what Harlee Dean has said about his coaching style, techniques and tactics.

Whilst i could argue with some of this... Selles had a much bigger and better quality squad, as clearly demonstrated by the uptick in results when he changed his approach, but it's besides the point. We all recognised we were over performing under Selles this season, Hunt's squad is completely threadbare, most of the squad is out of contract in the summer, half of it is unsettled fromtransfer speculation and none of them know they're getting paid next month...

The point is someone people are lionising now had a slightly worse start than Hunt over 10 games and a dreadful start over slightly longer.

There's always a ludicrous overreaction after a couple of defeats. After Hunt's first three games, people were asking where we'd get another point. We then got 10 in about 4 games. Lose 3 and its the same thing, we're in free fall, where will our next point come from.

It's overreaction central. All that matters is getting enough points to avoid relegation. Hunt is on to get us to 60 points, which is likely safe even if we go into administration.

Did people not relearn the lesson that managers can improve with Selles last season?

Hunt's going nowhere regardless, anyway.

[Stranded]

To be fair to Hunt, anyone in his job right now has absolutely nowhere to hide. There's no hiding behind some expensive transfers, no yearly refresh of players, there's no blaming the previous coach. It's purely down to tactics, training and man management. He's still inexperienced at first team management, so it's a baptism of fire. I do think he'll come good, given time. He needs to see what areas he's less strong at in order to improve those areas.

To be fair to Hunt.
P10, W3, D2, L5
Selles first 10:
W3, D1, L6

And Selles went on to get 1 point from his next 6 games.

Report card after 10 games, certainly improvement needed. But it's still over a point a game. Which would see us safe with a points deduction.

But Noel inherited a first team squad. which despite being lacking in numbers, had been well-coached and was performing really well. He was familiar with that squad and they were familiar with him. He was also familiar with the style of play coached by his predecessor.

Selles had virtually nothing to start of with. He was still trying to assemble a squad and work out who could do what during much of his first ten games.

I have no doubt at all that Noel is giving his absolute all to the job but he's not a Ruben Selles. Selles is probably something of a one-off, as evidenced by what Harlee Dean has said about his coaching style, techniques and tactics.

Noel inherited a squad who were invested in the "all in it together" mantra that the former manager instilled and broke when he left.

The squad were working well based on drills/training put in place by two well respected coaches (by the squad) who also left at the first available opportunity.

Hunt started his role with close to zero coaching staff and has been able to promote from within and bring in someone he trusts who is probably doing this as a bit of a favour and likely very cheap.

Anyone, and I mean anyone, expecting the transition to be smooth is naively optimistic at best or downright deluded at worst.

Even if we played exactly the same way, the training sessions would be different as the people who instigated what is successful have, you may have noticed, left the club taking with them the "all in this together" mantra.

This is not blaming Selles or excusing errors Hunt may have made but when a mindset has been built up and is the person setting that mindset has left - it is incredibly difficult for the replacement to replicate that as natural human nature is to go - Well yeah, that's what the last bloke said and he f*cked off - and not really fully buy into it anymore. Especially when you are in the middle of the transfer window and your agent is probably actively trying to get you a move or a pre-contract deal.

So yes, Hunt was familar with the style of play coached by Selles and co but he wouldn't be initimate with how it was implemented as he would have been busy doing his job and not part of training. Also being familar with someone as a fellow employee that you don't necesarily work directly with is massively different to managing that individual day in, day out.

[katweslowski]

Yep. it would have been a typical Blakie tongue in cheek remark that flew straight over TD's head!

This is the furthest he ever ran in a game!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2DyqBBcPtc

It wasn't tongue-in-cheek or a joke, he was serious. It was like listening to a guy with half a functioning brain who couldn't remember the word "miles" and whether it was a legitimate or realistic unit of measurement.

I'm not sure who is more simple - him or Ady Williams.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Mbengue is badly missed as above as he often got the full backs out of jail with his pace and now he's out we are being targeted there even more than before by the opposition.

We have 2 specialist full backs at the club, one who is coming back from long term injury and another (Abrefa) who in his first season.

That's on Selles for releasing 3 full backs in the summer particularly as it was known then that Yiadom was a long term absentee.

[Hound]

Mola should have stayed - though some uncertainty about whose choice that was. Abrefa has been injured but would have hoped he would be first choice going forward

Ryan I think was being primed for first team squad but long term injury. Ditto John Clarke

Who else did Selles/club let go? Sam Paul (saw him ending up in tier 6 somewhere iirc)? Not sure on Carson - will see how he’s been doing but he wasn’t good defensively

Edit: 151 minutes all season for Grimsby. And 4 yellow cards in that time somehow

[traff]

I watched on TV with BBCRB commentary.

I heard this exchange around the 85th minute:

Tim: Savage hasn't stopped running. Amazing. He must have covered 9-10km

Glenn Little: I remember when I was playing, I'd run about 10... Not km, the other one

Tim: miles?

Glenn: maybe, it may be miles. Yea I ran 10 miles in a game ... Or is it miles?

Tim: could it be furlongs?

He meant 10 feet.

Yep. it would have been a typical Blakie tongue in cheek remark that flew straight over TD's head!

This is the furthest he ever ran in a game!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2DyqBBcPtc

Beautiful.
Who needs to run when you can do this (just to show the finish was no fluke)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_ozMkNC3D0

[Mr Angry]

Watched on the Sky Sports+ thingy.

I thought we actually played some really good football, and certainly not the "hoofball" that has been attributed to NHunt's management; I suspect that Wing is playing a bit too deep at the moment - he can cause a lot more damage being another 30 yards further up the pitch when he gets the ball.

For their first goal, Bindon showed a bit of inexperience, diving in for a challenge he was only 10/90 to get and which left him badly out of position when the cross came in from our right hand side.

For their second, I would LOVE to see a side on angle, because for the life of me I can't see who was playing Bodvarsson on, but it was a silly challenge by Garcia to give away the free kick in the first place.

And for the 3rd, Savage didn't track his man back who ended up with a tap in.

WiFi didn't look match fit, and Camara brought some energy to our attack when he came on, but had we been more clinical in front of goal, we would have won that game easily.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Mola should have stayed - though some uncertainty about whose choice that was. Abrefa has been injured but would have hoped he would be first choice going forward

Ryan I think was being primed for first team squad but long term injury. Ditto John Clarke

Who else did Selles/club let go? Sam Paul (saw him ending up in tier 6 somewhere iirc)? Not sure on Carson - will see how he’s been doing but he wasn’t good defensively

Edit: 151 minutes all season for Grimsby. And 4 yellow cards in that time somehow

I was thinking Mola, Carson & NGW. Carson maybe questionable but if releasing the other maybe would have been an idea to keep him on for another year. We've just no options at left back. Are both Ryan & Clarke full backs? Thought more centre halves.

[leon]

their goals

1 - no right back, no one tracking the run really, really soft

2 - literally no challenge on the first ball, no one tracking the run, maybe offside.

3 - oy. va, vey. the moment they break on the 3 on 3, we're in trouble.

1- Bindon caught out of position diving in for an unsuccessful tackle leaving us light at the back, their guy against Garcia, no contest.

2- No maybe offside about it, clearly at least a yard, how a pro linesman could miss that was beyond belief.

3-Once Wing missed out in midfield we were in deep poo, but the guy unmarked at the back post for a tap in was Sunday morning park football stuff.

Wing's positioning just in front of defence means he has to make tackles or slow down attacks - he regularly doesn't. He doesn't work where he is.

[Hound]

Mola should have stayed - though some uncertainty about whose choice that was. Abrefa has been injured but would have hoped he would be first choice going forward

Ryan I think was being primed for first team squad but long term injury. Ditto John Clarke

Who else did Selles/club let go? Sam Paul (saw him ending up in tier 6 somewhere iirc)? Not sure on Carson - will see how he’s been doing but he wasn’t good defensively

Edit: 151 minutes all season for Grimsby. And 4 yellow cards in that time somehow

I was thinking Mola, Carson & NGW. Carson maybe questionable but if releasing the other maybe would have been an idea to keep him on for another year. We've just no options at left back. Are both Ryan & Clarke full backs? Thought more centre halves.

Ah yeah NGW. Would have been useful

I guess we were looking at going in with Dorsett/Ryan as LB (maybe Clarke) and Yiadom/Abrefa RB

Which would have been fine on paper

[Royal_jimmy]

Absolutely astonishing all the Hunt out calls on the usual platform, and do what exactly?
Where have these brain dead baboons been for the last two years???

Probably alcohol and anger at losing 3 on the spin without playing overly well and giving easy goals away. Hopefully Hunt can learn from matches like last night and fairly quickly.

[Royal_jimmy]

I would have been surprised if Mola said no to staying considering he's ended up at Bristol Rovers

[Mid Sussex Royal]

I would have been surprised if Mola said no to staying considering he's ended up at Bristol Rovers

Pretty sure he was released as it was announced he was going when the retained list came out.

[WestYorksRoyal]

One thing I don't like is Hunt blaming officials every time we lose instead of trying to control the controllables. Selles never did it.

Obviously some top managers like Klopp are right dickheads when talking about officials, but they must surely be holding the team to account behind the scenes. I do wonder if Hunt has more of a victim mentality on the club's circumstances than Selles, and that means he'd giving the players more slack.

[Hendo]

One thing I don't like is Hunt blaming officials every time we lose instead of trying to control the controllables. Selles never did it.

Obviously some top managers like Klopp are right dickheads when talking about officials, but they must surely be holding the team to account behind the scenes. I do wonder if Hunt has more of a victim mentality on the club's circumstances than Selles, and that means he'd giving the players more slack.

I guess the thing is, there seem to be so many blatant, game altering decisions that have not gone our way in the last few games, he has a fair grievance. Some of the non-penalty decisions have been crazy.

It isn't like him bemoaning every little decision.