MATCHWATCH : Wycombe Wanderers (a)

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Only for the Jan window, not 12 months

This is really bizarre. If Noel says we are likely to sell players in January, why would the owners block Selles from buying?
Seems that they would only care about getting the highest price they can so eliminating one potential buyer really makes no sense.
Cant believe they give a fortune cookie about optics.

Just because Earnshaw has said he's been told it's true, it doesn't mean it's true. As you rightly say, it makes no sense for a team to restrict who it can sell it's own players to, especially if it is in the mood for selling.

I'd say its very likely true...Earnshaw doesn't put stuff out unless its pretty much factual.

[Sutekh]

This is really bizarre. If Noel says we are likely to sell players in January, why would the owners block Selles from buying?
Seems that they would only care about getting the highest price they can so eliminating one potential buyer really makes no sense.
Cant believe they give a fortune cookie about optics.

Just because Earnshaw has said he's been told it's true, it doesn't mean it's true. As you rightly say, it makes no sense for a team to restrict who it can sell it's own players to, especially if it is in the mood for selling.

I'd say its very likely true...Earnshaw doesn't put stuff out unless its pretty much factual.

Presumably just trying to demonstrate that the club intend to fight to hang on to all the players, even though deals have probably already been more or less agreed behind the scenes with bigger clubs than ‘ull. And it’s possibly more to stop Selles getting ‘ull to bid for up and coming less widely noticed talent before it does become more noticed.

[WestYorksRoyal]

Tbf, Noel's comments yesterday didn't suggest anyone had told him a firesale was incoming. I think he's making an educated guess like all of us, that given the past few years and the talent we have, sales will happen. If we can do it like last season I can cope. Bindon with a loan back, and Garcia off hopefully just as Abrefa and Yiadom return (not to mention Clarke and Ryan returning next season).

Hopefully that would be enough to buy us another 6 months or so without weakening the team. Then just need to guys to perform miracles to win the play offs and our immediate future is secure in the Championship.

[Crusader Royal]

It stops players from getting unsettled.

I'd also imagine that the squad have quite a strong affinity with Ruben so, maybe the chance to go to a club managed by someone they get on with, playing a style football they are comfortable with, at a club that isn't a complete basket case might appeal.

Don’t think it would make any difference to an unsettled player. The wisdom seems to be that you can’t keep a player who wants to go. If, as you suggest, there might be players who fancy a relegation battle with a manager spending several months finding his feet at a club where they might be replaced by a random Turk at any moment then is forcing them to stay the answer ?

[windermereROYAL]

Just because Earnshaw has said he's been told it's true, it doesn't mean it's true. As you rightly say, it makes no sense for a team to restrict who it can sell it's own players to, especially if it is in the mood for selling.

I'd say its very likely true...Earnshaw doesn't put stuff out unless its pretty much factual.

Presumably just trying to demonstrate that the club intend to fight to hang on to all the players, even though deals have probably already been more or less agreed behind the scenes with bigger clubs than ‘ull. And it’s possibly more to stop Selles getting ‘ull to bid for up and coming less widely noticed talent before it does become more noticed.

Can`t find it myself but a friend of mine sent it to me on whatsapp where James Earnshaw said he understands that part of the deal to let Selles go contained an agreement where he couldn`t come back for any of our players next month.
He sent a screenshot of the post too.

Might be BS but it`s out there anyway.
https://x.com/RFCLatest/status/18654826 ... 46/photo/1

[Greatwesternline]

This is really bizarre. If Noel says we are likely to sell players in January, why would the owners block Selles from buying?
Seems that they would only care about getting the highest price they can so eliminating one potential buyer really makes no sense.
Cant believe they give a fortune cookie about optics.

Just because Earnshaw has said he's been told it's true, it doesn't mean it's true. As you rightly say, it makes no sense for a team to restrict who it can sell it's own players to, especially if it is in the mood for selling.

I'd say its very likely true...Earnshaw doesn't put stuff out unless its pretty much factual.

What's in it for Reading? If they do want to sell players why restrict one of their customers.

I think it's possible it's true I just don't understand why a club intent on selling it's own players would restrict itself.

The only possible reason is the club doesn't want to sell it's players and doesn't want to have a series of players have their trigger clauses triggered by hull.

If that's the case it would be a good news story.

[Snowflake Royal]

Just because Earnshaw has said he's been told it's true, it doesn't mean it's true. As you rightly say, it makes no sense for a team to restrict who it can sell it's own players to, especially if it is in the mood for selling.

I'd say its very likely true...Earnshaw doesn't put stuff out unless its pretty much factual.

What's in it for Reading? If they do want to sell players why restrict one of their customers.

I think it's possible it's true I just don't understand why a club intent on selling it's own players would restrict itself.

The only possible reason is the club doesn't want to sell it's players and doesn't want to have a series of players have their trigger clauses triggered by hull.

If that's the case it would be a good news story.

Presumably we want more control over who we sell, it's not like Hull are going to pay millions for Bindon or Garcia, for example.

Selles has direct knowledge of contracts, clauses and potential.

And we want to head off anyone we don’t want to sell getting unsettled.

And maybe we expect them to go down and don’t want to face our own players next season.


I think it's all a bit pointless, it's not like you see players follow managers as much as you used to, but there are half a dozen possible reasons and motivations.

[From Despair To Where?]

It stops players from getting unsettled.

I'd also imagine that the squad have quite a strong affinity with Ruben so, maybe the chance to go to a club managed by someone they get on with, playing a style football they are comfortable with, at a club that isn't a complete basket case might appeal.

Don’t think it would make any difference to an unsettled player. The wisdom seems to be that you can’t keep a player who wants to go. If, as you suggest, there might be players who fancy a relegation battle with a manager spending several months finding his feet at a club where they might be replaced by a random Turk at any moment then is forcing them to stay the answer ?

As I said, it's a fairly common clause inserted when managers move so the clubs obviously see it as worth inserting into negotiations.

[stealthpapes]

Under the Cosh had a pretty bleak story about how John Parkin once forced a move (Macclesfield to Hull he moved to Stoke after that, man loved a shithole)

[Hound]

Would worry more about Selles bringing in some of the u21s on the very cheap that he knows have high potential and a very low sale value atm. Everyone else knows about our better players + Garcia and Bindon as it is

[72 bus]

Would worry more about Selles bringing in some of the u21s on the very cheap that he knows have high potential and a very low sale value atm. Everyone else knows about our better players + Garcia and Bindon as it is

^ This exactly, he knows what we have coming through the academy

[katweslowski]

I found yesterday hard to enjoy.

Maybe I'm getting old, grumpy or both. Or maybe I was just unlucky. But every time we have an away game with a full allocation like this, it brings out utter twats.

Yesterday there was about 6 behind me. Repeatedly, the entire first half, they were continually shouting things like:

Smash him
Break his legs
Kill the cnut
Let him die
Murder him

This was continual and endless.

The guys next to me had their mate there who didn't have an allocated space. So it was 3 people in the space for 2. Continual banging into me, jumping behinde to shout expletives at disinterested home fans who were sat down miles away

I ended up moving at half time and thankfully found space at the side.

I'm not against having a laugh, shouting bollocks, fingering home fans But when it's just endless, annoying, shitbags it becomes unenjoyable

[Clyde1998]

I found yesterday hard to enjoy.

Maybe I'm getting old, grumpy or both. Or maybe I was just unlucky. But every time we have an away game with a full allocation like this, it brings out utter twats.

Yesterday there was about 6 behind me. Repeatedly, the entire first half, they were continually shouting things like:

Smash him
Break his legs
Kill the cnut
Let him die
Murder him

This was continual and endless.

The guys next to me had their mate there who didn't have an allocated space. So it was 3 people in the space for 2. Continual banging into me, jumping behinde to shout expletives at disinterested home fans who were sat down miles away

I ended up moving at half time and thankfully found space at the side.

I'm not against having a laugh, shouting bollocks, fingering home fans But when it's just endless, annoying, shitbags it becomes unenjoyable

I've noticed this at a number of away games. There seems to be a growing anti-social element to our fanbase, which hasn't been stamped out.

A lot of this seems to be fuelled by TikTok (or possibly things like Twitter and YouTube), where I imagine videos of this sort of thing would do very well. Either this sort of behaviour is for videos or, more likely, imitation of videos.

The age of some of the people is likely a factor too, as a lot of young people would've lost a year or two of serious social development due to Covid. I think a lot of the problems have started since the lockdowns. People simply don't think about the impact of their actions on other people.

[Orion1871]

I found yesterday hard to enjoy.

Maybe I'm getting old, grumpy or both. Or maybe I was just unlucky. But every time we have an away game with a full allocation like this, it brings out utter twats.

Yesterday there was about 6 behind me. Repeatedly, the entire first half, they were continually shouting things like:

Smash him
Break his legs
Kill the cnut
Let him die
Murder him

This was continual and endless.

The guys next to me had their mate there who didn't have an allocated space. So it was 3 people in the space for 2. Continual banging into me, jumping behinde to shout expletives at disinterested home fans who were sat down miles away

I ended up moving at half time and thankfully found space at the side.

I'm not against having a laugh, shouting bollocks, fingering home fans But when it's just endless, annoying, shitbags it becomes unenjoyable

I've noticed this at a number of away games. There seems to be a growing anti-social element to our fanbase, which hasn't been stamped out.

A lot of this seems to be fuelled by TikTok (or possibly things like Twitter and YouTube), where I imagine videos of this sort of thing would do very well. Either this sort of behaviour is for videos or, more likely, imitation of videos.

The age of some of the people is likely a factor too, as a lot of young people would've lost a year or two of serious social development due to Covid. I think a lot of the problems have started since the lockdowns. People simply don't think about the impact of their actions on other people.

Not sure it's a covid thing. We've had an away following of little oiks dressed in stone island acting like they're extras in a Danny Dyer hooligan film for quite some time before covid.

[Snowflake Royal]

It's not just away either, moaning minnies, pretend hardmen only interested in goading the away fans and scumbags with paedophilia chants are hardly unheard of at home.

[LUX]

I saw a really unsavory bloke threaten a woman amongst our own fans at Watford ten years ago. I’d have intervened, but of course he was backed up by ten mates.

[Carnabyswhiskers]

I found yesterday hard to enjoy.

Maybe I'm getting old, grumpy or both. Or maybe I was just unlucky. But every time we have an away game with a full allocation like this, it brings out utter twats.

Yesterday there was about 6 behind me. Repeatedly, the entire first half, they were continually shouting things like:

Smash him
Break his legs
Kill the cnut
Let him die
Murder him

This was continual and endless.

The guys next to me had their mate there who didn't have an allocated space. So it was 3 people in the space for 2. Continual banging into me, jumping behinde to shout expletives at disinterested home fans who were sat down miles away

I ended up moving at half time and thankfully found space at the side.

I'm not against having a laugh, shouting bollocks, fingering home fans But when it's just endless, annoying, shitbags it becomes unenjoyable

I noticed this outside the ground at Barnsley a couple of years ago (the 1-1 in the Championship under Ince). A group of about half a dozen of our yoof chanting anti-Yorkshire, anti-North abuse, much of it predicated around assumed economic superiority, as if they were a colonising force on behalf of the Sarf. The sad thing was they looked young to be still in school or sixth form, so can have had no experience of what it was they thought they could mock. Terrible look for us.

[katweslowski]

Glad it's not just me noticing this. I'm a liberal sort and enjoy the tribalism and theatrical/exaggerated interaction between home and away fans.

Saturday was funny as there was a lot of abuse directed to the stand to the right (as you face the pitch). There were about 50 empty seats and a lot of families/randoms just sat down watching the game, with absolutely no interest in the away fans. They weren't stood, weren't watching, weren't gesturing back, etc.

Could just about understand if it was Oxf*rd away, or Millwall, or any other fanbase where similar oiks were all gesturing and shouting back.

Anyway, amazing result considering Wycombe's position and the rocky week the team faced with the manager situation

[WestYorksRoyal]

Have fans got worse, or are we just getting older? I remember us singing songs about northerners beating their wives as a teenager or calling everywhere a shit hole or singing at Brighton fans about their boyfriends in the 00s. I thought that was just what happened and would even get caught up in it sometimes.

I don't particularly feel proud about it with the benefit of hindsight, but it's always been there. Perhaps though we should expect better from fans now. During the era I mentioned Little Britain was our most popular comedy, and thankfully we've moved beyond that now.

[bcubed]

Have fans got worse, or are we just getting older? I remember us singing songs about northerners beating their wives as a teenager or calling everywhere a shit hole or singing at Brighton fans about their boyfriends in the 00s. I thought that was just what happened and would even get caught up in it sometimes.

I don't particularly feel proud about it with the benefit of hindsight, but it's always been there. Perhaps though we should expect better from fans now. During the era I mentioned Little Britain was our most popular comedy, and thankfully we've moved beyond that now.

I very much think it's a case of getting older. Forgetting any anti Northern or any other anti whoever feelings, football chanting is now just very dull imo. When did you last hear a funny original chant? Its so formulaic. You know what's going to be sung before it happens and you know the reply.

I never used to find it dull or formulaic though I'm sure it's always been thus. So I reckon it's just getting old and having seen and heard it all before.