Selles not out

[WestYorksRoyal]

I think up until yesterday this season has certainly been more fun than going to games for the last few seasons. It’s mainly because the youngsters have given me fresh hope and I have been willing Selles to do well. Also, visiting all of the old grounds again has been great.

However, yesterday finished the fun off for me as Selles isn’t learning. A team that should be full of energy is being overrun and too easy to play against. I am sick to death of hearing the same bollox shortly after and before every game only for the same old shite to be served up. I now realise that we haven’t even hit rock bottom yet.

Sadly, if we still have a football club next season I think it’ll be in League Two and playing my adopted team who currently sit top of the National League.

I know it feels hopeless now, but things can change quickly. There could be a new owner announced before our next league game, which would give everyone a shot in the arm and could well translate to better performances on the pitch.

Right now L2 looks likely, but a lot can change.

This is fairly desperate stuff.

Sorry for looking for positives. Let's all just lie down, accept things are shit and look forward to the Conference before going out of existence.

[leon]

I know it feels hopeless now, but things can change quickly. There could be a new owner announced before our next league game, which would give everyone a shot in the arm and could well translate to better performances on the pitch.

Right now L2 looks likely, but a lot can change.

This is fairly desperate stuff.

Sorry for looking for positives. Let's all just lie down, accept things are shit and look forward to the Conference before going out of existence.

Ok

[Snowflake Royal]

Indeed. “league one is fun”

Still enjoying it more than the Championship.

I think up until yesterday this season has certainly been more fun than going to games for the last few seasons. It’s mainly because the youngsters have given me fresh hope and I have been willing Selles to do well. Also, visiting all of the old grounds again has been great.

However, yesterday finished the fun off for me as Selles isn’t learning. A team that should be full of energy is being overrun and too easy to play against. I am sick to death of hearing the same bollox shortly after and before every game only for the same old shite to be served up. I now realise that we haven’t even hit rock bottom yet.

Sadly, if we still have a football club next season I think it’ll be in League Two and playing my adopted team who currently sit top of the National League.

It's more enjoyable for me, because I can see a brighter future with just a couple of changes. That was impossible in the Champ, the playing squad was just wrecked and everything we were doing was wrong.

The difference between this squad competing at the top and the bottom is manager, owner, feel good factor and experience.

This squad could narrowly stay up in 20th, and with only a couple of playinh staff additions be right up there next season.

It is all down to owner. If that changes the whole feel around the club changes. No more protests. Everyone looking forward.

Go down with Dai and we're heading to oblivion. Go down with a new owner with money and we can afford to make a big loss for a season rather than cut to the bone, and we'll have a squad with talent light years ahead of most players in L2.

It's all about how awful Dai is, and we're finally seeing the first steps in the pcunt going.

I'm mostly numb to the pain now. And as I said, it's over one way or another in the next year or two

And I would far rather look to a positive future in a shite now, than bemoan what the next disaster may or may not be.

There is always next season. Until there isn't.

[The Royal Forester]

Still enjoying it more than the Championship.

I think up until yesterday this season has certainly been more fun than going to games for the last few seasons. It’s mainly because the youngsters have given me fresh hope and I have been willing Selles to do well. Also, visiting all of the old grounds again has been great.

However, yesterday finished the fun off for me as Selles isn’t learning. A team that should be full of energy is being overrun and too easy to play against. I am sick to death of hearing the same bollox shortly after and before every game only for the same old shite to be served up. I now realise that we haven’t even hit rock bottom yet.

Sadly, if we still have a football club next season I think it’ll be in League Two and playing my adopted team who currently sit top of the National League.

It's more enjoyable for me, because I can see a brighter future with just a couple of changes. That was impossible in the Champ, the playing squad was just wrecked and everything we were doing was wrong.

The difference between this squad competing at the top and the bottom is manager, owner, feel good factor and experience.

This squad could narrowly stay up in 20th, and with only a couple of playinh staff additions be right up there next season.

It is all down to owner. If that changes the whole feel around the club changes. No more protests. Everyone looking forward.

Go down with Dai and we're heading to oblivion. Go down with a new owner with money and we can afford to make a big loss for a season rather than cut to the bone, and we'll have a squad with talent light years ahead of most players in L2.

It's all about how awful Dai is, and we're finally seeing the first steps in the pcunt going.

I'm mostly numb to the pain now. And as I said, it's over one way or another in the next year or two

And I would far rather look to a positive future in a shite now, than bemoan what the next disaster may or may not be.

There is always next season. Until there isn't.

Nearly every sentence of the last post applied to last season in the Championship. At least to most of us anyway.

[Snowflake Royal]

I think up until yesterday this season has certainly been more fun than going to games for the last few seasons. It’s mainly because the youngsters have given me fresh hope and I have been willing Selles to do well. Also, visiting all of the old grounds again has been great.

However, yesterday finished the fun off for me as Selles isn’t learning. A team that should be full of energy is being overrun and too easy to play against. I am sick to death of hearing the same bollox shortly after and before every game only for the same old shite to be served up. I now realise that we haven’t even hit rock bottom yet.

Sadly, if we still have a football club next season I think it’ll be in League Two and playing my adopted team who currently sit top of the National League.

It's more enjoyable for me, because I can see a brighter future with just a couple of changes. That was impossible in the Champ, the playing squad was just wrecked and everything we were doing was wrong.

The difference between this squad competing at the top and the bottom is manager, owner, feel good factor and experience.

This squad could narrowly stay up in 20th, and with only a couple of playinh staff additions be right up there next season.

It is all down to owner. If that changes the whole feel around the club changes. No more protests. Everyone looking forward.

Go down with Dai and we're heading to oblivion. Go down with a new owner with money and we can afford to make a big loss for a season rather than cut to the bone, and we'll have a squad with talent light years ahead of most players in L2.

It's all about how awful Dai is, and we're finally seeing the first steps in the pcunt going.

I'm mostly numb to the pain now. And as I said, it's over one way or another in the next year or two

And I would far rather look to a positive future in a shite now, than bemoan what the next disaster may or may not be.

There is always next season. Until there isn't.

Nearly every sentence of the last post applied to last season in the Championship. At least to most of us anyway.

There is no way, last season’s squad could have been at the top of the Champ this season with minor improvements.

Last season’s squad was riddled with players who were on the decline, failures and not good enough for that level or if they were, barely.

And last season there was no real clear sign of the club just going out of business.

This summer's recruitment has been far superior and more promising than anything we've had in years. We're finally getting to see substantial numbers of exciting Academy players come through and look good in the first team.

There was no end in sight of Dai's ownership last season.

[The Royal Forester]

It's more enjoyable for me, because I can see a brighter future with just a couple of changes. That was impossible in the Champ, the playing squad was just wrecked and everything we were doing was wrong.

The difference between this squad competing at the top and the bottom is manager, owner, feel good factor and experience.

This squad could narrowly stay up in 20th, and with only a couple of playinh staff additions be right up there next season.

It is all down to owner. If that changes the whole feel around the club changes. No more protests. Everyone looking forward.

Go down with Dai and we're heading to oblivion. Go down with a new owner with money and we can afford to make a big loss for a season rather than cut to the bone, and we'll have a squad with talent light years ahead of most players in L2.

It's all about how awful Dai is, and we're finally seeing the first steps in the pcunt going.

I'm mostly numb to the pain now. And as I said, it's over one way or another in the next year or two

And I would far rather look to a positive future in a shite now, than bemoan what the next disaster may or may not be.

There is always next season. Until there isn't.

Nearly every sentence of the last post applied to last season in the Championship. At least to most of us anyway.

There is no way, last season’s squad could have been at the top of the Champ this season with minor improvements.

Last season’s squad was riddled with players who were on the decline, failures and not good enough for that level or if they were, barely.

And last season there was no real clear sign of the club just going out of business.

This summer's recruitment has been far superior and more promising than anything we've had in years. We're finally getting to see substantial numbers of exciting Academy players come through and look good in the first team.

There was no end in sight of Dai's ownership last season.

There is no way THIS season's squad could be at the top of League 1 with minor improvements Maybe it could with MAJOR improvements.
How many ex-Academy players started at Leyton Orient? Four?
Some of us could foresee the demise of Reading FC and did say on HNA that our club was likely to follow the other two clubs that Dai let go to the wall. (maybe not clear, but foreseeable).
Are you 100% sure Dai will let go of the club? I doubt if he will, myself, if he can't get what he would feel a "fair" price, which will exceed what anyone is prepared to pay.

[WestYorksRoyal]

Nearly every sentence of the last post applied to last season in the Championship. At least to most of us anyway.

There is no way, last season’s squad could have been at the top of the Champ this season with minor improvements.

Last season’s squad was riddled with players who were on the decline, failures and not good enough for that level or if they were, barely.

And last season there was no real clear sign of the club just going out of business.

This summer's recruitment has been far superior and more promising than anything we've had in years. We're finally getting to see substantial numbers of exciting Academy players come through and look good in the first team.

There was no end in sight of Dai's ownership last season.

There is no way THIS season's squad could be at the top of League 1 with minor improvements Maybe it could with MAJOR improvements.
How many ex-Academy players started at Leyton Orient? Four?
Some of us could foresee the demise of Reading FC and did say on HNA that our club was likely to follow the other two clubs that Dai let go to the wall. (maybe not clear, but foreseeable).
Are you 100% sure Dai will let go of the club? I doubt if he will, myself, if he can't get what he would feel a "fair" price, which will exceed what anyone is prepared to pay.

This squad is not ready to compete at the top of L1, but it is a squad who will improve and could get promoted in the future. Unlike last year where it was a squad of players past their peak.

I do think if the off field situation improves, so will on field performances. It's hard to perform in a toxic environment for experienced players, let alone kids. It won't be consistently, but it will be an improvement on what we're seeing. And a change in ownership makes a change in manager more likely too - who currently has authority to sack Selles? And we'd be so much more attractive for potential replacements.

As for whether Dai wants to sell, just the statement last week is massive progress that suggests he's ready to cut his losses. The longer he stays, the worse things will get and the closer the sale becomes as the reality of his asking price dawns on him.

So, while it looks pretty disastrous at the moment, we are closer to being shot of him and we can see a path to recovery with good ownership.

[leon]

There is no way, last season’s squad could have been at the top of the Champ this season with minor improvements.

Last season’s squad was riddled with players who were on the decline, failures and not good enough for that level or if they were, barely.

And last season there was no real clear sign of the club just going out of business.

This summer's recruitment has been far superior and more promising than anything we've had in years. We're finally getting to see substantial numbers of exciting Academy players come through and look good in the first team.

There was no end in sight of Dai's ownership last season.

There is no way THIS season's squad could be at the top of League 1 with minor improvements Maybe it could with MAJOR improvements.
How many ex-Academy players started at Leyton Orient? Four?
Some of us could foresee the demise of Reading FC and did say on HNA that our club was likely to follow the other two clubs that Dai let go to the wall. (maybe not clear, but foreseeable).
Are you 100% sure Dai will let go of the club? I doubt if he will, myself, if he can't get what he would feel a "fair" price, which will exceed what anyone is prepared to pay.

This squad is not ready to compete at the top of L1, but it is a squad who will improve and could get promoted in the future. Unlike last year where it was a squad of players past their peak.

I do think if the off field situation improves, so will on field performances. It's hard to perform in a toxic environment for experienced players, let alone kids. It won't be consistently, but it will be an improvement on what we're seeing. And a change in ownership makes a change in manager more likely too - who currently has authority to sack Selles? And we'd be so much more attractive for potential replacements.

As for whether Dai wants to sell, just the statement last week is massive progress that suggests he's ready to cut his losses. The longer he stays, the worse things will get and the closer the sale becomes as the reality of his asking price dawns on him.

So, while it looks pretty disastrous at the moment, we are closer to being shot of him and we can see a path to recovery with good ownership.

Are we really??

We’re going to get relegated you silly twats. With or without Dai. Selles is taking us down. Longer it goes on the worse it will be.

[URZZZZ]

There is no way THIS season's squad could be at the top of League 1 with minor improvements Maybe it could with MAJOR improvements.
How many ex-Academy players started at Leyton Orient? Four?
Some of us could foresee the demise of Reading FC and did say on HNA that our club was likely to follow the other two clubs that Dai let go to the wall. (maybe not clear, but foreseeable).
Are you 100% sure Dai will let go of the club? I doubt if he will, myself, if he can't get what he would feel a "fair" price, which will exceed what anyone is prepared to pay.

This squad is not ready to compete at the top of L1, but it is a squad who will improve and could get promoted in the future. Unlike last year where it was a squad of players past their peak.

I do think if the off field situation improves, so will on field performances. It's hard to perform in a toxic environment for experienced players, let alone kids. It won't be consistently, but it will be an improvement on what we're seeing. And a change in ownership makes a change in manager more likely too - who currently has authority to sack Selles? And we'd be so much more attractive for potential replacements.

As for whether Dai wants to sell, just the statement last week is massive progress that suggests he's ready to cut his losses. The longer he stays, the worse things will get and the closer the sale becomes as the reality of his asking price dawns on him.

So, while it looks pretty disastrous at the moment, we are closer to being shot of him and we can see a path to recovery with good ownership.

Are we really??

We’re going to get relegated you silly twats. With or without Dai. Selles is taking us down. Longer it goes on the worse it will be.

Must say, whilst Dai deserves all the criticism he gets, shouldn’t take away just how poor our management have been for a while now

We just never seem to have a clear and coherent plan to create chances and win games. Selles wants this “fluid” front four and yet our attack don’t move into space. Azeez, Knibbs and Ehib are miles too static. If you want to create opportunities, you have to drag the defence out of shape and yet we seem content in passing from side to side before an aimless hoof. 9 goals in 11 games is not good enough

[blythspartan]

I have gone to all of the league games so far and if anything we’re getting worse in each game. Maybe the last couple of games have clouded my judgement, but there’s been no gradual improvement.

We are asleep at the beginning of most games and far too easy to play against. It all looks like panic ball and the players look clueless. We played the perfect game away in league trophy, but that was against Exeter’s second string which was very poor. Basically, Selles ball isn’t working in League One.

[Snowflake Royal]

I have gone to all of the league games so far and if anything we’re getting worse in each game. Maybe the last couple of games have clouded my judgement, but there’s been no gradual improvement.

We are asleep at the beginning of most games and far too easy to play against. It all looks like panic ball and the players look clueless. We played the perfect game away in league trophy, but that was against Exeter’s second string which was very poor. Basically, Selles ball isn’t working in League One.

Agree we're getting worse.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

It seems to be we are running out of steam late on in games, possibly suggesting that we aren't using our subs correctly? How many times have we lost by the odd goal in the last 10 minutes of games, Cambridge, Leyton Orient and Exeter?

I remember Hunt making a comment last season about a lot of the academy players being technically good, but didn't have the fitness levels to keep up with the intensity of league football which is where they needed progress.

[WestYorksRoyal]

I must say I would enjoy this debate more if some people weren't relishing being proven right. Yes, we're in the relegation zone, everything is toxic and the club is imploding. Congratulations on being right.

[Brogue]

I must say I would enjoy this debate more if some people weren't relishing being proven right. Yes, we're in the relegation zone, everything is toxic and the club is imploding. Congratulations on being right.

you must be new here

[morganb]

It seems to be we are running out of steam late on in games, possibly suggesting that we aren't using our subs correctly? How many times have we lost by the odd goal in the last 10 minutes of games, Cambridge, Leyton Orient and Exeter?

I remember Hunt making a comment last season about a lot of the academy players being technically good, but didn't have the fitness levels to keep up with the intensity of league football which is where they needed progress.

From:
https://twitter.com/JH7123/status/1710922408889135152

This goes back to last season too, so may not be age related just a more general issue at the club with fitness/training?

Championship:

Sunderland 86th minute
Blackburn 83rd
Cardiff 91st
Preston 93rd

League 1:

Exeter 93rd
Cambridge 83rd
Orient 90th.

[WestYorksRoyal]

It seems to be we are running out of steam late on in games, possibly suggesting that we aren't using our subs correctly? How many times have we lost by the odd goal in the last 10 minutes of games, Cambridge, Leyton Orient and Exeter?

I remember Hunt making a comment last season about a lot of the academy players being technically good, but didn't have the fitness levels to keep up with the intensity of league football which is where they needed progress.

From:
https://twitter.com/JH7123/status/1710922408889135152

This goes back to last season too, so may not be age related just a more general issue at the club with fitness/training?

Championship:

Sunderland 86th minute
Blackburn 83rd
Cardiff 91st
Preston 93rd

League 1:

Exeter 93rd
Cambridge 83rd
Orient 90th.

I think it's more mentality than fitness. Somebody always makes a mistake late on, even if it's a different culprit every time.

[leon]

I must say I would enjoy this debate more if some people weren't relishing being proven right. Yes, we're in the relegation zone, everything is toxic and the club is imploding. Congratulations on being right.

Oh well.

[blythspartan]

I know it can’t happen, but I’d take John Eustace over sticking with Selles.

[Snowflake Royal]

It seems to be we are running out of steam late on in games, possibly suggesting that we aren't using our subs correctly? How many times have we lost by the odd goal in the last 10 minutes of games, Cambridge, Leyton Orient and Exeter?

I remember Hunt making a comment last season about a lot of the academy players being technically good, but didn't have the fitness levels to keep up with the intensity of league football which is where they needed progress.

The fact that Selles regularly uses all his subs should probably put that part to bed.

Although I wouldn’t say he's using them in the right way or at the right time necessarily.

There's a couple of players who fade, Big Kelvin E one of them. But mostly it's errors.

Iirc Dean fell apart in the build up to both the Exeter and Cambridge winner.

[Clyde1998]

It seems to be we are running out of steam late on in games, possibly suggesting that we aren't using our subs correctly? How many times have we lost by the odd goal in the last 10 minutes of games, Cambridge, Leyton Orient and Exeter?

I remember Hunt making a comment last season about a lot of the academy players being technically good, but didn't have the fitness levels to keep up with the intensity of league football which is where they needed progress.

From:
https://twitter.com/JH7123/status/1710922408889135152

This goes back to last season too, so may not be age related just a more general issue at the club with fitness/training?

Championship:

Sunderland 86th minute
Blackburn 83rd
Cardiff 91st
Preston 93rd

League 1:

Exeter 93rd
Cambridge 83rd
Orient 90th.

I think it's more mentality than fitness. Somebody always makes a mistake late on, even if it's a different culprit every time.

I also think there's also a tactically element to it: try and sit in for a point, which invites pressure.