Confimred - Bindon to Nottingham Forest

[72 bus]

That sounds an incredibly implausible amount given our situation.

Just missing an extra yard/ few inches from being clearly a top player. And he may prove to not need thatto get there.

6 ft 3 in, looks shorter on the TV though.

[blythspartan]

Yeah it's a good point, I think there's heaps more examples... weren't Abrefa and Anderson also thought to be ooc in preseason and got options extended, I think.

I would expect it to be a routine clause in youth player contracts when they're on edge of the first team.

Minimises risk of losing someone you want, especially cheap, but limits your exposure to being stuck for four years with once promising, now lame duck players.

Which i felt was an issue with some of our youth not too long ago.

Saying that, £9m is still clearly misleading. Anything like that would be bound to include most of it only being paid after x PL appearances or starts.

Oh it won't be 9m up front but it all depends on if the add ons are "easy" or "hard" as to how good the deal really is.

So it might be say 4m up front, 1m once he makes his debut, another 1m if he plays in the CL, 1m once he makes 20 apps etc, etc...

Personally, I doubt it would be more than £2m upfront. Probably less.

I'd stage it say something like:

£1.5m
£1m on debut
£4m on 10 PL starts
£2.5m on CL start

Yep, that sounds about right. I wonder if we’ll add on a sell on clause.

[Linden Jones' Tash]

Oh it won't be 9m up front but it all depends on if the add ons are "easy" or "hard" as to how good the deal really is.

So it might be say 4m up front, 1m once he makes his debut, another 1m if he plays in the CL, 1m once he makes 20 apps etc, etc...

Personally, I doubt it would be more than £2m upfront. Probably less.

I'd stage it say something like:

£1.5m
£1m on debut
£4m on 10 PL starts
£2.5m on CL start

Yep, that sounds about right. I wonder if we’ll add on a sell on clause.

I'm guessing it's:

£750k upfront
£8.25M when
Arsenal win the Champions League AND
New Zealand win the FIFA World Cup
AND
Bindon wins the Ballon D'Or

All in the same season...

[windermereROYAL]

Apparently Blackburn are leading the race to sign him now.

[Sutekh]

Apparently Blackburn are leading the race to sign him now.

So is this vaunted £9m a release clause or just made up bollox by some sad journo? And I’m sure he can do better than Blackburn esp he’s much better than Holmes who got to the PL with his move.

[Clyde1998]

Apparently Blackburn are leading the race to sign him now.

The story seems to come from Alan Nixon who has an independent Patreon blog and used to write for The Sun. There's a suggestion he mostly relies on agent who wants the profile of their players elevated.

Wouldn't read too much into what he says.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Apparently Blackburn are leading the race to sign him now.

Pretty unlikely given Blackburn's finances

[Snowflake Royal]

I think Bindon needs to be very careful where he moves.

There's no point going to a big PL club to rot in their Academy, or get loaned out to L1 and Championship clubs.

Going to a struggling or basketcase Championship side is also risky. Easy to be relegated back to L1 or sidelined after a managerial change.

He needs stable and regular football, preferably in the Championship or similar standard foreign league.

I don’t think there's many clubs who could afford him, that can offer him the football he needs to develop his career fully. But at the same time, he can't afford to keep slumming it with us for too much longer, given our state.

Not that it matters for us, we just need the money.

[South Coast Royal]

I feel sure that the player will take note because it is Ian telling him what he should and shouldn't do.

Not every player signed by top clubs "rots", look at examples like Andy Robertson and Michael Olise who grabbed the opportunity and some.
Even if the player doesn't make it and gets loaned out followed by a move to a Championship club he will have become a millionaire and will earn good money for at least 3 years or so.

Good luck to young Bindon wherever he goes and he has served us well.

[From Despair To Where?]

Not great examples.

Andy Robertson was 23 and already a Premier League player when Liverpool signed him.

Olise was one of the best players in the Championship and clearly Premier League standard.

[Clyde1998]

Not great examples.

Andy Robertson was 23 and already a Premier League player when Liverpool signed him.

Olise was one of the best players in the Championship and clearly Premier League standard.

Olise went to Crystal Palace too - not one of the top Premier League clubs.

[Snowflake Royal]

Not great examples.

Andy Robertson was 23 and already a Premier League player when Liverpool signed him.

Olise was one of the best players in the Championship and clearly Premier League standard.

And went to a middling PL club rather than a top one.

Plus it's harder for CBs to transition intoa team,as sub appearances and starts are much harder to come by as most managers don't rotate or change their CBs much. Whilst forwards are much more likely for that to happen, for example.

[Armadillo Roadkill]

I think Bindon needs to be very careful where he moves.

There's no point going to a big PL club to rot in their Academy, or get loaned out to L1 and Championship clubs.

Going to a struggling or basketcase Championship side is also risky. Easy to be relegated back to L1 or sidelined after a managerial change.

He needs stable and regular football, preferably in the Championship or similar standard foreign league.

I don’t think there's many clubs who could afford him, that can offer him the football he needs to develop his career fully. But at the same time, he can't afford to keep slumming it with us for too much longer, given our state.

Not that it matters for us, we just need the money.

I know people seem to find it fun to disagree with IR, but he's absolutely spot on here.

I would have thought the Bundesliga would be Bindon's best option - and he's good enough to go right to the top. He'd be a good fit at Dortmund, Leipzig or Frankfurt, would get loads of game time at a very high level, and benefit from a more knowledgeable football culture.

[SWLR]

6 ft 3 in, looks shorter on the TV though.

Out by an inch.

6'2"
Eyes of blue
Tyler Bindon's after you
(with apologies to Martin Hicks)

[retro royal]

Think Nelson Abbey is a better example, sitting on the bench at Swansea, barely played a competitive game since leaving us.

[Snowflake Royal]

Think Nelson Abbey is a better example, sitting on the bench at Swansea, barely played a competitive game since leaving us.

I wonder about Vickers too. Probably young and inexperienced enough for it to be ok. But he's gone from playing semi-regular L1 football, and probably would be playing regularly this season. To playing U21 football, which we know is much less competitive than L1.

But to go from having 50+ professional starts to U21 football is nothing but a backwards step professionally, no matter how good the coaches and young talent around you is. IMO.

And no one seriously thinks Bindon is going to go from L1 to starting for Arsenal, do they...

[Clyde1998]

Think Nelson Abbey is a better example, sitting on the bench at Swansea, barely played a competitive game since leaving us.

I wonder about Vickers too. Probably young and inexperienced enough for it to be ok. But he's gone from playing semi-regular L1 football, and probably would be playing regularly this season. To playing U21 football, which we know is much less competitive than L1.

But to go from having 50+ professional starts to U21 football is nothing but a backwards step professionally, no matter how good the coaches and young talent around you is. IMO.

And no one seriously thinks Bindon is going to go from L1 to starting for Arsenal, do they...

He'd go out on loan. Although perhaps being at Arsenal would make a loan to Europe (Italy or Germany may be good for him) more likely.

[South Coast Royal]

Not great examples.

Andy Robertson was 23 and already a Premier League player when Liverpool signed him.

Olise was one of the best players in the Championship and clearly Premier League standard.

I was thinking in terms of the £9 million that has been mooted, i.e. about the same as Robertson and Olise cost.

[South Coast Royal]

Think Nelson Abbey is a better example, sitting on the bench at Swansea, barely played a competitive game since leaving us.

I wonder about Vickers too. Probably young and inexperienced enough for it to be ok. But he's gone from playing semi-regular L1 football, and probably would be playing regularly this season. To playing U21 football, which we know is much less competitive than L1.

But to go from having 50+ professional starts to U21 football is nothing but a backwards step professionally, no matter how good the coaches and young talent around you is. IMO.

And no one seriously thinks Bindon is going to go from L1 to starting for Arsenal, do they...

But you have paid no regard in your posts to the massive jump in earnings that he will get even as just a squad player.
Money would certainly come into his reckoning and why not?.

[Snowflake Royal]

Think Nelson Abbey is a better example, sitting on the bench at Swansea, barely played a competitive game since leaving us.

I wonder about Vickers too. Probably young and inexperienced enough for it to be ok. But he's gone from playing semi-regular L1 football, and probably would be playing regularly this season. To playing U21 football, which we know is much less competitive than L1.

But to go from having 50+ professional starts to U21 football is nothing but a backwards step professionally, no matter how good the coaches and young talent around you is. IMO.

And no one seriously thinks Bindon is going to go from L1 to starting for Arsenal, do they...

But you have paid no regard in your posts to the massive jump in earnings that he will get even as just a squad player.
Money would certainly come into his reckoning and why not?.

No I haven't, because I'm very clearly focused on professional development, not earnings. It's blindingly obvious the short term financial gain is greater, there's nothing to discuss there.