Dai Yongge Out

[blythspartan]

Based on all of the hysteria yesterday I want him out of the club.

However, if I think about it logically he’s spent millions on the club, he’s kept it going through covid, he’s made some shit decisions, he attended more games last season and he’s not paid wages on time due to issues transferring money to the UK.

Are we better off with or without him? Even if he sells up unless we can find a local person who’s a billionaire we could end up with someone worse than Dai.

I think he knows he’s made some shit decisions and whatever we think the club has been playing by the rules dictated by the EFL in recent seasons. Maybe he really wanted to recruit Wilder and due to further embargoes and restrictions the deal collapsed. He might be a really proud man and he’s got pissed about the EFL coming for us again which has caused him to think oxf*rd it all.

I can be really fickle at times and if we somehow managed to get promoted next season I’d be there celebrating and probably not thinking about all of the shit that’s happened in the past. I am not expecting that to happen but yesterday’s villain can become tomorrow’s hero.

[From Despair To Where?]

Worse than Zingarovich?

Not on intentions but yes. Mind you Zingarevich for 6 years could have been worse.

Even when it was clear Zingarovich had no money, he kept on spending on vanity signings (Royston Drenthe, anyone?) to the point that he gambled future income by taking out a loan with Vibrac (a loan shark by any other name). He signed players over the manager's head on wages the would make Liam Moore wince. We were days from going into administation to the point that we had to sell players to pay a tax bill. Never mind 6 years, that was in 18 months.

People keep saying "If Dai does this..." or "If he wanted to Dai could just do that...." etc but at no point has there been a genuine risk that the club could fold within weeks.

Yes the situation is far from good but we have been in worse in the last 10 years.

[Sutekh]

Worse than Zingarovich?

Not on intentions but yes. Mind you Zingarevich for 6 years could have been worse.

Even when it was clear Zingarovich had no money, he kept on spending on vanity signings (Royston Drenthe, anyone?) to the point that he gambled future income by taking out a loan with Vibrac (a loan shark by any other name). He signed players over the manager's head on wages the would make Liam Moore wince. We were days from going into administation to the point that we had to sell players to pay a tax bill. Never mind 6 years, that was in 18 months.

People keep saying "If Dai does this..." or "If he wanted to Dai could just do that...." etc but at no point has there been a genuine risk that the club could fold within weeks.

Yes the situation is far from good but we have been in worse in the last 10 years.

At the end of the day Mr Dai has the money and if it wasn't for the ffp restrictions preventing smaller clubs from "taking a chance" and competing with the bigger teams the club wouldn't be in this particular mess.

[Snowflake Royal]

Not on intentions but yes. Mind you Zingarevich for 6 years could have been worse.

Even when it was clear Zingarovich had no money, he kept on spending on vanity signings (Royston Drenthe, anyone?) to the point that he gambled future income by taking out a loan with Vibrac (a loan shark by any other name). He signed players over the manager's head on wages the would make Liam Moore wince. We were days from going into administation to the point that we had to sell players to pay a tax bill. Never mind 6 years, that was in 18 months.

People keep saying "If Dai does this..." or "If he wanted to Dai could just do that...." etc but at no point has there been a genuine risk that the club could fold within weeks.

Yes the situation is far from good but we have been in worse in the last 10 years.

At the end of the day Mr Dai has the money and if it wasn't for the ffp restrictions preventing smaller clubs from "taking a chance" and competing with the bigger teams the club wouldn't be in this particular mess.

It would be about £300m in debt, utterly unsustainable and still performing very badly though.

We certainly could get a dreadful replacement, maybe even worse. It's not like football attracts decent people to buying clubs.

But Dai has been actively harming the club for years.

We should be wary of newcomers but absolutely want the clown out.

[From Despair To Where?]

It is unsustainable without a massive rethink and obviously the quickest way to do that is with new ownership. However, as we know all too well that that can bring its own issues.

We are where we are and that is where we deserve to be. You can guarantee that a lot of the idiots bleating on Twitter are the same who were bemoaning Madejski's "lack of ambition", were heralding the £5m signings and blathering on about our "rightful place". You can't have your cake and eat it and the single most important thing at this, and any time is stability and I think the fanbase have to accept that that does not necessarily come with instant on field success.

Football hasn't been fun for about 15 years and a big part of the fun was chasing the unknown. We got there and the club lost its innocence in the process. Its why I'm completely calm about the current situation because we're symptomatic of a bigger malaise in English football. It's never going to be as good as the first time and you need a bigger and bigger hit to feed the dream. Its like a drug addiction. Sometimes I wish we'd never made it to the Premier League because ultimately its ruined the club.

We need to go cold turkey and that means accepting that in the short term, its going to be really shit.

[Snowflake Royal]

It is unsustainable without a massive rethink and obviously the quickest way to do that is with new ownership. However, as we know all too well that that can bring its own issues.

We are where we are and that is where we deserve to be. You can guarantee that a lot of the idiots bleating on Twitter are the same who were bemoaning Madejski's "lack of ambition", were heralding the £5m signings and blathering on about our "rightful place". You can't have your cake and eat it and the single most important thing at this, and any time is stability and I think the fanbase have to accept that that does not necessarily come with instant on field success.

Football hasn't been fun for about 15 years and a big part of the fun was chasing the unknown. We got there and the club lost its innocence in the process. Its why I'm completely calm about the current situation. The expectation has eaten away at the fun. Its like an addiction. It's never as good as the first time and you need a bigger and bigger hit to feed the need. Sometimes I wish we'd never made it to the Premier League because ultimately its ruined the club.

We need to go cold turkey and that means accepting that in the short term, its going to be really shit.

Excellent post

[WestYorksRoyal]

It is unsustainable without a massive rethink and obviously the quickest way to do that is with new ownership. However, as we know all too well that that can bring its own issues.

We are where we are and that is where we deserve to be. You can guarantee that a lot of the idiots bleating on Twitter are the same who were bemoaning Madejski's "lack of ambition", were heralding the £5m signings and blathering on about our "rightful place". You can't have your cake and eat it and the single most important thing at this, and any time is stability and I think the fanbase have to accept that that does not necessarily come with instant on field success.

Football hasn't been fun for about 15 years and a big part of the fun was chasing the unknown. We got there and the club lost its innocence in the process. Its why I'm completely calm about the current situation. The expectation has eaten away at the fun. Its like an addiction. It's never as good as the first time and you need a bigger and bigger hit to feed the need. Sometimes I wish we'd never made it to the Premier League because ultimately its ruined the club.

We need to go cold turkey and that means accepting that in the short term, its going to be really shit.

Excellent post

Partial agree. Chasing the PL dream has lost its excitement. But I want a team who provides entertainment, who we can connect with and who it feels like are "our" team, and that is not an unrealistic, greedy ambition.

[From Despair To Where?]

It is unsustainable without a massive rethink and obviously the quickest way to do that is with new ownership. However, as we know all too well that that can bring its own issues.

We are where we are and that is where we deserve to be. You can guarantee that a lot of the idiots bleating on Twitter are the same who were bemoaning Madejski's "lack of ambition", were heralding the £5m signings and blathering on about our "rightful place". You can't have your cake and eat it and the single most important thing at this, and any time is stability and I think the fanbase have to accept that that does not necessarily come with instant on field success.

Football hasn't been fun for about 15 years and a big part of the fun was chasing the unknown. We got there and the club lost its innocence in the process. Its why I'm completely calm about the current situation. The expectation has eaten away at the fun. Its like an addiction. It's never as good as the first time and you need a bigger and bigger hit to feed the need. Sometimes I wish we'd never made it to the Premier League because ultimately its ruined the club.

We need to go cold turkey and that means accepting that in the short term, its going to be really shit.

Excellent post

Partial agree. Chasing the PL dream has lost its excitement. But I want a team who provides entertainment, who we can connect with and who it feels like are "our" team, and that is not an unrealistic, greedy ambition.

But that's my point, it's no longer our team, I'd rather watch a team that plays without fear of failure than one weighed down by the expectation generated by past achievement or transfer spend and that feels compelled to chase the "dream".

An entertaining team that has the fanbase behind it will generate success organically.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Be interesting to know what proportion of fans twitter represents or as likely its just the more vocal ones who speak out.

It seems a few groups, some long established like TTE, are coordinating something.

Things obviously not great with a number of mistakes made and I'm not a Dai fan, but need to be careful what we wish for, he has just pumped £6m in to the club....

[katweslowski]

Be interesting to know what proportion of fans twitter represents

I'd say a tiny percentage and all their moaning, obsessions over little things and whining fuels everyone else's

When you speak to most fans who don't use twitter they're entirely oblivious to it all.

Eg have never heard of the "you've been Paul inced" thing
Had no idea about a protest or talks of one
Barely know or care about the intricacies of the issues but just want to get to see some matches

It's the twitterati that obsess over it minute after minute and day after day.

It's toxic

[Royal_jimmy]

Pretty much every Reading fan I know and I talk to a couple of dozen or so and all of them are angry at the situation the club is in.

[Sutekh]

Mostly I'm angry about the prospect of the club appointing yet another useless manager with zero experience of the FL, it's getting to the point where you think someone high up wants to make the club fail rather than give it any vague chance of success.

[Royal_jimmy]

My thoughts exactly. Would make no sense why that would be true though.

Knowing our luck Dai will sell us to another dud of an owner.