MATCHWATCH : Leyton Orient (a)

[Royal_jimmy]

Whilst appreciating managing us at the moment is a tough job I think Hunt's inexperience is showing. Started with the wrong team, WiFi should have started. Craig needs to move back into midfield he's no right back, get Yiadom back asap. Couldn't string passes together and too much long ball. No chances created again.

We're the same shit away from home but now looking weaker at home. We're only going one way, he needs a result at Burton or it's looking pretty toxic.

[Royal_jimmy]

Not disrespectful at all. Never called them tinpot or said they didn't deserve to be in the same league as us. It was a dig at us and Dai rather than at them.

That's how lefty people think unfortunately. They don't realize we're not digging at the clubs we're against but slate how poorly we've been managed and ran over the years

[tidus_mi2]

Whilst appreciating managing us at the moment is a tough job I think Hunt's inexperience is showing. Started with the wrong team, WiFi should have started. Craig needs to move back into midfield he's no right back, get Yiadom back asap. Couldn't string passes together and too much long ball. No chances created again.

We're the same shit away from home but now looking weaker at home. We're only going one way, he needs a result at Burton or it's looking pretty toxic.

Do agree, don't currently rate Hunt and he's not doing anything to change my mind.

[WestYorksRoyal]

Not disrespectful at all. Never called them tinpot or said they didn't deserve to be in the same league as us. It was a dig at us and Dai rather than at them.

That's how lefty people think unfortunately. They don't realize we're not digging at the clubs we're against but slate how poorly we've been managed and ran over the years

This is shape shifting the argument and denying what was really said. It's fine to say we shouldn't be getting comprehensive outplayed in L1 and it reflects poorly on Dai. That applies when it's Charlton, Bolton or Huddersfield too.

But the comment in question specifically called out their recent NL experience and the fact that they had played Maidenhead, as in we should be beating "teams like X". It's exactly the same as when teams bemoaned losing to "teams like Reading" when we were punching above our weight . It was disrespectful, just as it is when we say it now.

[Snowflake Royal]

Not disrespectful at all. Never called them tinpot or said they didn't deserve to be in the same league as us. It was a dig at us and Dai rather than at them.

That's how lefty people think unfortunately. They don't realize we're not digging at the clubs we're against but slate how poorly we've been managed and ran over the years

This is shape shifting the argument and denying what was really said. It's fine to say we shouldn't be getting comprehensive outplayed in L1 and it reflects poorly on Dai. That applies when it's Charlton, Bolton or Huddersfield too.

But the comment in question specifically called out their recent NL experience and the fact that they had played Maidenhead, as in we should be beating "teams like X". It's exactly the same as when teams bemoaned losing to "teams like Reading" when we were punching above our weight . It was disrespectful, just as it is when we say it now.

Exactly

[Royal_jimmy]

Whilst appreciating managing us at the moment is a tough job I think Hunt's inexperience is showing. Started with the wrong team, WiFi should have started. Craig needs to move back into midfield he's no right back, get Yiadom back asap. Couldn't string passes together and too much long ball. No chances created again.

We're the same shit away from home but now looking weaker at home. We're only going one way, he needs a result at Burton or it's looking pretty toxic.

Do agree, don't currently rate Hunt and he's not doing anything to change my mind.

Hopefully he learns and improves. I really hope so and grows into the role but he has a long way to go. He'll steady the ship until we get a new owner but in the long term he's probably not worth his long contract.

[Royal_jimmy]

Not disrespectful at all. Never called them tinpot or said they didn't deserve to be in the same league as us. It was a dig at us and Dai rather than at them.

That's how lefty people think unfortunately. They don't realize we're not digging at the clubs we're against but slate how poorly we've been managed and ran over the years

This is shape shifting the argument and denying what was really said. It's fine to say we shouldn't be getting comprehensive outplayed in L1 and it reflects poorly on Dai. That applies when it's Charlton, Bolton or Huddersfield too.

But the comment in question specifically called out their recent NL experience and the fact that they had played Maidenhead, as in we should be beating "teams like X". It's exactly the same as when teams bemoaned losing to "teams like Reading" when we were punching above our weight . It was disrespectful, just as it is when we say it now.

Last week we lost to a team that lost to Staines Town 15 years ago. In fact last season we lost twice to a Shrewsbury team that lost to Staines Town. Whilst on paper it sounds appalling it's a one off game and that was at that time.

We have fallen a long way though and people saying relegation was a good thing are being proven why I told them to f off.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Whilst appreciating managing us at the moment is a tough job I think Hunt's inexperience is showing. Started with the wrong team, WiFi should have started. Craig needs to move back into midfield he's no right back, get Yiadom back asap. Couldn't string passes together and too much long ball. No chances created again.

We're the same shit away from home but now looking weaker at home. We're only going one way, he needs a result at Burton or it's looking pretty toxic.

Do agree, don't currently rate Hunt and he's not doing anything to change my mind.

Hopefully he learns and improves. I really hope so and grows into the role but he has a long way to go. He'll steady the ship until we get a new owner but in the long term he's probably not worth his long contract.

Its definitely a learning curve stepping up from U21's and he's been done last 2 games by experienced, tactically astute managers in Challinor and Wellens, the same as Bruce before Christmas.

It needs pointing out though we are without 2 key players in Mbengue and Elliott, also after Huddersfield in 2 weeks we will have played all the top half sides away bar Mansfield in 12th so I'd expect us to pick up a bit on the road.

We're also running on bare bones across the club coaching wise to save costs, as far as I know only Gibbs has come in with the vacant roles created by Hunt and Legs filled internally.

[Crowbar6753]

I understand each manager/coach has their preferred style of play but we've gone from playing fast attractive flowing passing football with an amazing high press with a team of youngsters to which it suited these guys well. Now we have ditched the high press, the football is slow and lethargic and we now seem to be playing hoof ball hoping that Smith can get on the end of something!!!

Their keeper didn't have a save to make all game!! without Mbengue our defense is poor and we look like shipping goals on most attacks, so basically we have to have an attacking threat otherwise we will never win. It doesn't help that Wing our best creator is off form and being played as a CDM.
Finally our passing is terrible, twice, Campbell was on the attack, stopped, played a ball backwards which was intercepted resulting in a goal.

Watch our game away at Brum and then compare it to todays game.....our high press and running with our youngsters scared teams to death and i'm sure teams were surprised and envious of our youngsters, now look at us the difference is night and day and its purely down to tactics.

[Hound]

I think we recognised Selles was doing a cracking job after his initial uselessness. He came in as a highly rated coach who had ‘something’ about him. He was definitely getting the best out of what we had

Hunt does seem to have gone back a more basic approach. I think it’ll be enough to keep us picking up points fairly regularly but can’t see us troubling the top 10 come the end of the season

Sadly I think we/Dai have let a very good manager through our fingers in Ruben

[AthleticoSpizz]

I think we recognised Selles was doing a cracking job after his initial uselessness. He came in as a highly rated coach who had ‘something’ about him. He was definitely getting the best out of what we had

Hunt does seem to have gone back a more basic approach. I think it’ll be enough to keep us picking up points fairly regularly but can’t see us troubling the top 10 come the end of the season

Sadly I think we/Dai have let a very good manager through our fingers in Ruben

+1

[stealthpapes]

Yeah, agree with all of that Hound.

[Royal_jimmy]

I understand each manager/coach has their preferred style of play but we've gone from playing fast attractive flowing passing football with an amazing high press with a team of youngsters to which it suited these guys well. Now we have ditched the high press, the football is slow and lethargic and we now seem to be playing hoof ball hoping that Smith can get on the end of something!!!

Their keeper didn't have a save to make all game!! without Mbengue our defense is poor and we look like shipping goals on most attacks, so basically we have to have an attacking threat otherwise we will never win. It doesn't help that Wing our best creator is off form and being played as a CDM.
Finally our passing is terrible, twice, Campbell was on the attack, stopped, played a ball backwards which was intercepted resulting in a goal.

Watch our game away at Brum and then compare it to todays game.....our high press and running with our youngsters scared teams to death and i'm sure teams were surprised and envious of our youngsters, now look at us the difference is night and day and its purely down to tactics.

Spot on here.

This is what I don't understand either. We had a system that suited our players that sometimes we got a poor result but it was really good to watch and we had a great record at home with it. Our recent football has been boring and we've abandoned the high press for a more direct style of play which doesn't suit our players strengths at all. We have looked flat since playing it.

Hunt should have stuck to the same system. Isn't it a similar style to how the U21s play anyway? (I don't watch our U21s so forgive me if I am wrong).

[Royal_jimmy]

We're turning into the next Charlton/Bradford aren't we!

[From Despair To Where?]

That's how lefty people think unfortunately. They don't realize we're not digging at the clubs we're against but slate how poorly we've been managed and ran over the years

This is shape shifting the argument and denying what was really said. It's fine to say we shouldn't be getting comprehensive outplayed in L1 and it reflects poorly on Dai. That applies when it's Charlton, Bolton or Huddersfield too.

But the comment in question specifically called out their recent NL experience and the fact that they had played Maidenhead, as in we should be beating "teams like X". It's exactly the same as when teams bemoaned losing to "teams like Reading" when we were punching above our weight . It was disrespectful, just as it is when we say it now.

Exactly

And given they've spent more seasons in the top 2 tiers than we have, ignorant.

[Snowflake Royal]

That's how lefty people think unfortunately. They don't realize we're not digging at the clubs we're against but slate how poorly we've been managed and ran over the years

This is shape shifting the argument and denying what was really said. It's fine to say we shouldn't be getting comprehensive outplayed in L1 and it reflects poorly on Dai. That applies when it's Charlton, Bolton or Huddersfield too.

But the comment in question specifically called out their recent NL experience and the fact that they had played Maidenhead, as in we should be beating "teams like X". It's exactly the same as when teams bemoaned losing to "teams like Reading" when we were punching above our weight . It was disrespectful, just as it is when we say it now.

Last week we lost to a team that lost to Staines Town 15 years ago. In fact last season we lost twice to a Shrewsbury team that lost to Staines Town. Whilst on paper it sounds appalling it's a one off game and that was at that time.

We have fallen a long way though and people saying relegation was a good thing are being proven why I told them to f off.

Pretty much the overwhelming reaction to the last two seasons is that they've been far more enjoyable. The team is vastly more likeable, the Academy is delivering. Signings are succeeding! We're top half despite being an absolute shambles behind the scenes.

The only problem is the ownership. Once that's sorted things will be great.

You said we'd be in L2 by now. Because you're a clown.

[Snowflake Royal]

I think we recognised Selles was doing a cracking job after his initial uselessness. He came in as a highly rated coach who had ‘something’ about him. He was definitely getting the best out of what we had

Hunt does seem to have gone back a more basic approach. I think it’ll be enough to keep us picking up points fairly regularly but can’t see us troubling the top 10 come the end of the season

Sadly I think we/Dai have let a very good manager through our fingers in Ruben

+1

Yeah, mostly agree. But Selles lost 4-1 to Stockport this season. Our away form had actually picked up under Hunt until today.

Our away record under Hunt is
P5, W1, D2, L2 - 1ppg

Under Selles it was
P9, W2, D3, L4 - 1 ppg

This sort of result was always in us under Selles and happened frequently.

We had this after the first little negative run under Hunt, then he won 10 points from 12.

[Gunny Fishcake]

Just back from the game, first time for a long time pains me to say the team let the fantastic travelling supporters down. It was a really poor performance and really disappointingly there was no fight or spirit that’s got us to the position in the league where we are. The body language from most of the players was very telling, rather than really pushing on and going for the unlikely dream of the plays offs , it seems to me the team thinks they’ve got enough points for safety this season and that’s been reflected in two woeful performances in the last two games. Losing Selles looks like they’ve lost a father and I fear the rest of the season will be a long trudge though it must be mentioned our squad is so thin it’s a remarkable achievement to be where we are in the league. Burton will be a big test for another performance like today will destroy the fragile confidence and moral of the team.

[Stanmore Royal]

The last 2 games we have lacked in every department, the loss Mbengne is huge not just defensively he is the heartbeat of the team, his personality drives the others. He adds pace to the defence by default speeding things up. Everything we have done in last 2 games has been slow and laboured with complete lack of movement.
On one of the very rare occasions we strung more than 2 passes together yesterday, Garcia beat a couple Leyton players but there was no one within 20 yards of him centrally so he had to play a safe pass and the chance to attack was gone.
Wing, Stockport did a job on him yes but he’s looked leggy and he’s trying too many long balls, Wing needs to be further forward. Our midfield is non existent at times. only one I would give credit to yesterday was Smith with the very limited service he did hold up well and play some nice stuff but as ever he’s too isolated, if we are going to go long to Smith we have to be near by to get a flick or a touch if he wins it.

Penalty all day long but reality is even without sh1t decisions we would have still lost, last couple of games we have allowed the teams playing us to coast to victory.

I hope it’s the uncertainty of who’s going etc and once the window shuts we will see an improvement especially if we can get to a stage where the team doesn’t pick itself and have virtually no options from bench.

As others have said the ownership situation is most important, having a club is what matters so that we can all come on boards like this and flip flop from Hunt is out of his depth to I got it wrong about Hunty then back to he’s a lovely fella but not cut out for the job.

What can possibly go wrong on a cold night in January at Burton

[blythspartan]

Hunty’s our manager and we have to stick by him. Yes, he’s no Ruben, but Ruben is history now.

Yesterday was awful, but for me the results are all immaterial until Dai oxf*rd off.

I know we have Kelvin E, but Smith is our only senior striker. When you compare our options to the likes of Brum, Hollywood etc. our squad depth is awful. I know nothing about Burton’s squad, but I bet they have more options upfront than we do.