Refereeing

[Sanguine]

Oliver was on the on-field referee for the Pickford 'tackle', but Coote was VAR.

[South Coast Royal]

Oliver was on the on-field referee for the Pickford 'tackle', but Coote was VAR.

Fair enough-I'll just hate Oliver a little bit less now and Coote a bit more.

[Sutekh]

I thought we were getting semi automated offsides in the PL this season, is that still happening or has it been dropped?

[Winston Biscuit]

I thought we were getting semi automated offsides in the PL this season, is that still happening or has it been dropped?

Pushed back to next season I believe

[Sutekh]

I thought we were getting semi automated offsides in the PL this season, is that still happening or has it been dropped?

Pushed back to next season I believe

Other leagues have it working, why is it always the PL that seems to take so long to get these things up and running?,

[Royal Rother]

Dear oh dear, well if Coote wasn’t finished before, he sure is now.

[Sutekh]

He must really hate his job.

Looking forward to PGMOL defending this one

Ridiculous they’re taking so long to deal with it all but then every week brings something new.

[Harrison Delbridge]

Nothing wrong with a bit of banter imo

[South Coast Royal]

Just on the matter of yellow cards, the refs are so erratic.
Pawson for example doesn't book anybody in the first half , an example of which being in Monday's Newcastle game when Joelinton blatantly fouled a West Ham player on the break but it was in the first half so no yellow card.

Taylor, after the fiasco of the Bournemouth game not so long ago when he booked 13 players in what wasn't a dirty game , now doesn't book players.
Cavanagh did a game at the weekend where there were no yellow cards and, as expected ,the delaying of the restart in games has died a death after the early OTT yellows.

It is all one big lottery.

[Sanguine]

Just on the matter of yellow cards, the refs are so erratic.
Pawson for example doesn't book anybody in the first half , an example of which being in Monday's Newcastle game when Joelinton blatantly fouled a West Ham player on the break but it was in the first half so no yellow card.

Taylor, after the fiasco of the Bournemouth game not so long ago when he booked 13 players in what wasn't a dirty game , now doesn't book players.
Cavanagh did a game at the weekend where there were no yellow cards and, as expected ,the delaying of the restart in games has died a death after the early OTT yellows.

It is all one big lottery.

PGMOL appears broken. Regarding 'delaying of the restart', we saw a few years back when referees were tasked with cracking down on pushing and pulling in the box at corners and free-kicks, you couldn't move for penalties and cards for the first few weeks, and then...nothing. Clearly referees told to ease off again.

Why refs can't just be tasked with actually refereeing the game properly I don't know. I personally don't think anywhere near enough is made of Mike Dean's comment that he once decided to 'help out' Anthony Taylor during a game and not refer something to the VAR screen. This was a little snippet of how things are really run behind the scenes.

[Royal Rother]

And on refereeing my biggest gripe of all is the bloody goalkeepers being allowed to hold onto the ball for as much as 30 seconds.

The law says 6 seconds, and if longer, then punishable with an indrect free kick.

Why the hell this isn't enforced I just cannot fathom.

I know initially there'd be even more instances of 'keepers faking injury, because footballers will always resort to 1st instinct - cheat. But there'd be a way to deal with that.

If they HAD to release the ball in 6 seconds it would lead to a more stretched game and more excitement with precisely zero harm to the game.

Absolutely bizarre that nothing has been done about this and it's been allowed to get worse and worse over the last, what, 20 years.

Fcuking sort it out FIFA!

[Sutekh]

And on refereeing my biggest gripe of all is the bloody goalkeepers being allowed to hold onto the ball for as much as 30 seconds.

The law says 6 seconds, and if longer, then punishable with an indrect free kick.

Why the hell this isn't enforced I just cannot fathom.

I know initially there'd be even more instances of 'keepers faking injury, because footballers will always resort to 1st instinct - cheat. But there'd be a way to deal with that.

If they HAD to release the ball in 6 seconds it would lead to a more stretched game and more excitement with precisely zero harm to the game.

Absolutely bizarre that nothing has been done about this and it's been allowed to get worse and worse over the last, what, 20 years.

Fcuking sort it out FIFA!

Been saying this for years but instead all we get is IFAB piddling about in what appears to be an attempt to make everything else as complicated and unnecessary as possible #jobsforthevarboys

It was so much better when referees were allowed to referee a game and were encouraged to apply common sense, as every incident is different, gathered through their years of experience. Now it’s all technologyfied and there’s two refs for every PL game, all this and PGMOL still can’t get it right half the time even with access to VAR.

Latest now is the delay to the semi automated offsides that is a system that works in other leagues yet PGMOL can’t seem to get it working over here. But then VAR largely works elsewhere but here it seems a painful waste of time largely operated by the blind.

[Brogue]

Coote sacked

[Sanguine]

He probably could have survived the first video, but the second where he is 'inhaling a white powder' made this inevitable. His own doing, silly man. Do feel a little sorry for him though, tbh.

[From Despair To Where?]

Not defending Coote but the odds on Alioski getting booked in any given game are pretty short and the challenge that got him the yellow was a yellow all day long.

On a wider point,though, I'm not sure a ref should really be getting involved in banter with fans on social media.

[Brogue]

He will end in Saudi earning big bucks I’m sure

[katweslowski]

To be honest, a lot of these referreeing issues I partially attribute to the media turning them into z-lister celebraties. Personalities in their own right. Mike Dean on Sky Sports, Howard Webb giving his view at games.

I also often defend referrees for the following reasons (none of which excuses mistakes but they're humans and they will always happen):

1. Players continually cheat, feign injury, over-play a trip, fall or push. It's designed only to trick the officials. They then moan like hell when something doesn't go the right way for them.
2. Managers who scream at the 4th official and berate the officials from the side - often when nothing at all has gone wrong.
3. When did a Manager last speak out on a ref's decision - that BENEFITED Their team? They don't do they, it's only when they're on the wrong end. That's obviously human nature, but if you'#re going to whinge about it as if it's real issue, be grown up enough to say you were fortunate and the ref was wrong. Not just gloss over it.

Considering the way players and managers act towards them, I'd say it's pretty even on the mistakes vs them cheating scale, if not tipped in favour of the refs.

When the players start acting like grown ups, then maybe they'll have some cause to start pulling up refs on decisions.

Coote thought Klopp was a vanker - I wonder why...

[Sutekh]

To be honest, a lot of these referreeing issues I partially attribute to the media turning them into z-lister celebraties. Personalities in their own right. Mike Dean on Sky Sports, Howard Webb giving his view at games.

I also often defend referrees for the following reasons (none of which excuses mistakes but they're humans and they will always happen):

1. Players continually cheat, feign injury, over-play a trip, fall or push. It's designed only to trick the officials. They then moan like hell when something doesn't go the right way for them.
2. Managers who scream at the 4th official and berate the officials from the side - often when nothing at all has gone wrong.
3. When did a Manager last speak out on a ref's decision - that BENEFITED Their team? They don't do they, it's only when they're on the wrong end. That's obviously human nature, but if you'#re going to whinge about it as if it's real issue, be grown up enough to say you were fortunate and the ref was wrong. Not just gloss over it.

Considering the way players and managers act towards them, I'd say it's pretty even on the mistakes vs them cheating scale, if not tipped in favour of the refs.

When the players start acting like grown ups, then maybe they'll have some cause to start pulling up refs on decisions.

Coote thought Klopp was a vanker - I wonder why...

Doesn’t exactly look like Coote was helping himself though - seeming bias, followed by drugs and then a touch of possible betting “assistance” to finish him off. How to make yourself completely untenable in the space of a couple of weeks. All for giving refs the respect they deserve but sometimes they make it quite hard to do that and the PGMOL really don’t seem to help matters (e.g. why do European referees not seem to have any problems with law changes and implementing technology while over here it’s made into a completely divisive inconsistent mess).

[Snowflake Royal]

To be honest, a lot of these referreeing issues I partially attribute to the media turning them into z-lister celebraties. Personalities in their own right. Mike Dean on Sky Sports, Howard Webb giving his view at games.

I also often defend referrees for the following reasons (none of which excuses mistakes but they're humans and they will always happen):

1. Players continually cheat, feign injury, over-play a trip, fall or push. It's designed only to trick the officials. They then moan like hell when something doesn't go the right way for them.
2. Managers who scream at the 4th official and berate the officials from the side - often when nothing at all has gone wrong.
3. When did a Manager last speak out on a ref's decision - that BENEFITED Their team? They don't do they, it's only when they're on the wrong end. That's obviously human nature, but if you'#re going to whinge about it as if it's real issue, be grown up enough to say you were fortunate and the ref was wrong. Not just gloss over it.

Considering the way players and managers act towards them, I'd say it's pretty even on the mistakes vs them cheating scale, if not tipped in favour of the refs.

When the players start acting like grown ups, then maybe they'll have some cause to start pulling up refs on decisions.

Coote thought Klopp was a vanker - I wonder why...

But this is only the case because generations of referees have done nothing but permit increasingly poor behaviour. And even consistently made decisions that encouraged it.

It's been within their gift all along to actually enforce rules and clean up all this poor behaviour. But they collectively choose not to.

[Stranded]

Yep but they only do so because they know the press will go after them if they actually enforced the laws and sent off 2 or 3 players per game.

It would all be about the refs not being human or flexible or not understanding the game rather than the players needing to get their behaviours in check.