The Non - League thread

[Royals and Racers]

What division are Jersey Bulls in now?

Isthmian league south central step 4

[Sutekh]

What division are Jersey Bulls in now?

Isthmian league south central step 4

Thanks, they’ve laterally moved over from the other isthmian division at that level.

Reckon the league obviously think the possibility of a Jersey v Guernsey league derby is too big a risk to take. In addition to moving Jersey over to another division they’ve also stripped Guernsey of home advantage in their PO final with Peacehaven because the game is slated to be played on the same weekend as the island’s Liberation Day celebrations and no-one can get travel booked - has no-one ever heard of rearranging fixtures

[AthleticoSpizz]

The footballing authorities are absolute dicks aren’t they

[The Cube]

What division are Jersey Bulls in now?

Isthmian league south central step 4

Thanks, they’ve laterally moved over from the other isthmian division at that level.

Reckon the league obviously think the possibility of a Jersey v Guernsey league derby is too big a risk to take. In addition to moving Jersey over to another division they’ve also stripped Guernsey of home advantage in their PO final with Peacehaven because the game is slated to be played on the same weekend as the island’s Liberation Day celebrations and no-one can get travel booked - has no-one ever heard of rearranging fixtures :roll:

In fact, it has been rearranged. It's now next Saturday and in Guernsey (announcement some days ago).

[Sutekh]

Isthmian league south central step 4

Thanks, they’ve laterally moved over from the other isthmian division at that level.

Reckon the league obviously think the possibility of a Jersey v Guernsey league derby is too big a risk to take. In addition to moving Jersey over to another division they’ve also stripped Guernsey of home advantage in their PO final with Peacehaven because the game is slated to be played on the same weekend as the island’s Liberation Day celebrations and no-one can get travel booked - has no-one ever heard of rearranging fixtures

In fact, it has been rearranged. It's now next Saturday and in Guernsey (announcement some days ago).

Excellent, the Guernsey appeal must have worked.

[Four Of Clubs]

Excellent, the Guernsey appeal must have worked.

...not sure it was as simple as that - Guernsey appealed but were willing to pay peak-level fare costs for their opponents, to keep home advantage.
The (4th) w/e in May was chosen to avoid 'Liberation Day' (or whatever) - once clear they wouldn't get enough seats on flights for the original PO Final date.
Didn't help that their opponents weren't known until well after the bookings needed to be made
-reportedly they had to stump up a fair amount of 'ante' without being sure they'd even be hosting a game?
(That proves pretty difficult to arrange in advance - with Travel Insurance regs)

The FA (or Isthmian league not sure which) 'pulled levers' providing leeway due to the circumstances.
- they may have had to do similar for the Isle of Man club up in the northern bit of the Pyramid.
It also got pretty messy last season for Jersey with appeals ongoing thru early May, disrupting the final positions pre-POs in the CCL.

Logistically getting on and off the CIs is more troublesome at this time of year - busy holiday period has commenced - lots of commemorative events etc etc taking available travel/hospitality spaces too??

Guernsey had it's own additional challenge: - 'Blue Islands' went out of business in Nov '25 leaving two 'direct' carriers (BA & Aurigny) operating flights from Soton or Gatwick.
You can fly via Jersey but suspect that's at a premium and of course more complex to fit in with timings for set events.
Jersey does at least have EasyJet and BA as their main 'carriers' and also use Heathrow.

Aurigny (who fly direct to Guernsey AND Alderney) wouldn't have that much 'spare' capacity for any short-term demands -

NOSTALGIA MODE - though they finally stopped using those lovely little 18-seater Trislanders or 'Joeys'
(....and no they 'DIDN'T have an outside toilet!! )


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No excuse but there might have been the tiniest aspect of complacency about the SCFL POs.
- I expect they were caught out by Haywards Heath regally 'stuffing-up' their chances by losing to 5th placed Peachaven
- were runaway leaders of the division for so long then, as DD mentioned somewhere above, 'collapsed' and were reeled in.
Had they progressed to the Final as expected, this wouldn't have become an issue.

Keeping the two clubs separate for 26-27 (should Guernsey win promotion) - is much the same general 'logistics' issue
- the Isthmian wouldn't want one STEP04 Division overburdened with excessive travel difficulties, so are spreading the load.
A 'derby' would generate significant revenue for both clubs of course but is probably outweighed by the potential snarl-ups.
They seem to play each other in various cups anyhow (not just the Muratti) throughout the season - BUT if the weather closes in it's nigh on impossible to get in or out of either airport sometimes for days at a time - and no-one would sooner go by ferry
- Poole to Guernsey is 3 hrs - Portsmarf is 10 !! ?

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...and while I'm here some other 'snippets' at the 'tail end' :

FC Romania formerly Southern Central/Isthmian South Central are folding - shame
- nomadic for much of their existence they were a friendly club and were easy on the eye - whenever I saw them.
- played an open expansive style where possible but hardly flourished - another whose momentum up the Pyramid may have been restricted by the COVID years.
Have sunk back down into the SSML & Essex leagues somewhere and were still playing out of Cheshunt. Never really had much of a following though.
- there were rumours of a franchise-like take-over and move into somewhere further East but it didn't happen and I've read they no longer have a primarily Romanian-community feel about them.

Nearer home the 'mighty' FC BAPCO could be folding too - have won all they are likely to in local Sunday League - think they are three-time Champs now?
- wanted to do better at a National Level but didn't manage to progress far enough in the FA Sunday Cup.
Will leave a big hole 'locally' but in truth weren't always that popular with their opponents in the R&DSFL - though their disciplinary record had improved markedly this season. Definitely made a few other Reading Sunday Premier outfits 'up their game', which was good to see.
Interesting to observe if their large squad of 'Galacticos' will dissipate into local Sunday Football - they did have had several STEPS 2-6 Sat. players in their ranks. Probably most of them could shift across into Reading City's 'Sunday' sides - there are couple of them in the R&DSFL.
Their founder/sponsor etc pro-footballer Shandon Baptiste may have stepped away of late - was signed-on as a player at Luton but is also now part of the management set-up at Rivermoor - poss. runs their Reserve side in the TVPL ?

[RFCMod]

Sandhurst have moved to Wessex league div 1 step 6

Ta - as I said above had only looked down the provisional CCL allocations .... so far ...... hadn't checked where Sandhurst had gone .... makes some sense with Cove, Ash & Frimley Gn already in the WESS-1.
Camberley must be on the 'cusp' as it were - and may have been shifted as well, had they not been reprieved?
Probably considered as conveniently close to the M3 'corridor' for travel down to the Wessex Clubs predominantly in the Hants/Dorset/W.Sussex footprint etc

.....wasn't expecting these to be out until tomorrow (Fri) tbf?

With the 'Fizzers' moving 'west' is a bit odd that Tadley stay put in the CCL at the STEP above - and are joined by Yateley Utd in CCL-PS moving the other way FROM Wessex?

Presumably more 'wriggle room' at STEP06.....

Thatcham looks like a straight 'swap' with VW, whose new groundshare venue puts them further South (logically) if not by latitude - not checked?

Can't work out the logic of Yateleys move across to the CCL
With the local teams mentioned above it would have been more logical to stay put and have some easy away days

[Royals and Racers]

Bagshot have announced that they are going to groundshare at Frimley Green( not 3g)

[Four Of Clubs]

Bagshot have announced that they are going to groundshare at Frimley Green( not 3g)

....and I believe their former lodgings Krooner Park had plans to go 3G pretty soon.
Not sure if that had any bearing at all on Bagshot's decision - but if that project progressed they'd have had to vacate for a period anyway?

.... also read on NLM the existing g/s agreement @ Camberley had been cut-short and they were playing out this season on a 3G, at a school somewhere in Frimley (Tomlinscote) ? They often hired it whenever they 'clashed' home fixtures with Cambo.

Bagshot were relegated from the SPCFL (Surrey Premier County Football League) - so presumably will drop into the SCIL(W) Surrey County Intermediate League (West)?

Dial Square (mentioned somewhere above - now g/s at Knaphill - moved from Chertsey to make way for VW) were promoted from the SPCL altho' they only finished 5th
.... have been put in the SCFL for 26/27 (Southern Combination Football League Sussex County League as was)

[Royal Rother]

Have VW given up getting their own ground now?

It was supposed to be happening 5+ years ago at Timbers but that got shelved - then they identified an alternative site "a stone's throw from Timbers" and entered discussions with the local community and submitted planning applications, but nothing seems to have moved.

[Four Of Clubs]

Have VW given up getting their own ground now?

...expect Mr Incenzo is the one to ask - pretty sure he lived very close to the Timbers.
Though - a very senior Anorak - one of the top Mods on NLM, reported that said NL 'dignitary' was deliberately ignoring him at a game earlier this week ...
.. I think a few on that forum were being less than complimentary/worshipful about his exploits and he'd got the hump!

Problem with the Timbers itself, is the elevated playing surface, which would add to the intrusiveness of any high-intensity lights.
Drive thru that bit of VW and it's easy to see why the 'locals' would not look kindly upon any 'footer oiks'....playing on a patch of 'greensward' within their 'Back Yard'.
.... rather pointedly the local 'burb' round there is known as 'Trumps Green'!

[Four Of Clubs]

Result:
SCFL-P PO Final : Guernsey 1-4 Peacehaven & Telscombe
Att: (est) 2,300

P&T promoted to IL1-SE.

[Clyde1998]

The TVPL is attempting to complete it's own new-this-season 'FA Cup' competition
- is now at the S-F stage : both are scheduled for Sat PM 23rd May @ Rivermoor:

13:00 Tadley Res v Holyport Res
17:00 Westwood v Wargrave

...presumably .... they'll try to fit the Final in some time the following week ... & at the same venue, I'd guess?

Ended up going to Scours Lane and stayed for both.

Tadley won 5-0, with their #11 getting a hat-trick.

Wargrave ended up upsetting Westwood 3-1. I think that’s Westwood’s first defeat of the season.

The final is TBC, but may be Friday at Slough from what I overheard some of the players/staff saying.

Someone on Twitter suggested there were roughly 134 and 170 people watching both games respectively. On my observation, there was little overlap.

[Double C]

Excellent, the Guernsey appeal must have worked.

...not sure it was as simple as that - Guernsey appealed but were willing to pay peak-level fare costs for their opponents, to keep home advantage.
The (4th) w/e in May was chosen to avoid 'Liberation Day' (or whatever) - once clear they wouldn't get enough seats on flights for the original PO Final date.
Didn't help that their opponents weren't known until well after the bookings needed to be made
-reportedly they had to stump up a fair amount of 'ante' without being sure they'd even be hosting a game?
(That proves pretty difficult to arrange in advance - with Travel Insurance regs)

The FA (or Isthmian league not sure which) 'pulled levers' providing leeway due to the circumstances.
- they may have had to do similar for the Isle of Man club up in the northern bit of the Pyramid.
It also got pretty messy last season for Jersey with appeals ongoing thru early May, disrupting the final positions pre-POs in the CCL.

Logistically getting on and off the CIs is more troublesome at this time of year - busy holiday period has commenced - lots of commemorative events etc etc taking available travel/hospitality spaces too??

Guernsey had it's own additional challenge: - 'Blue Islands' went out of business in Nov '25 leaving two 'direct' carriers (BA & Aurigny) operating flights from Soton or Gatwick.
You can fly via Jersey but suspect that's at a premium and of course more complex to fit in with timings for set events.
Jersey does at least have EasyJet and BA as their main 'carriers' and also use Heathrow.

Aurigny (who fly direct to Guernsey AND Alderney) wouldn't have that much 'spare' capacity for any short-term demands -

NOSTALGIA MODE - though they finally stopped using those lovely little 18-seater Trislanders or 'Joeys'
(....and no they 'DIDN'T have an outside toilet!! )


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No excuse but there might have been the tiniest aspect of complacency about the SCFL POs.
- I expect they were caught out by Haywards Heath regally 'stuffing-up' their chances by losing to 5th placed Peachaven
- were runaway leaders of the division for so long then, as DD mentioned somewhere above, 'collapsed' and were reeled in.
Had they progressed to the Final as expected, this wouldn't have become an issue.

Keeping the two clubs separate for 26-27 (should Guernsey win promotion) - is much the same general 'logistics' issue
- the Isthmian wouldn't want one STEP04 Division overburdened with excessive travel difficulties, so are spreading the load.
A 'derby' would generate significant revenue for both clubs of course but is probably outweighed by the potential snarl-ups.
They seem to play each other in various cups anyhow (not just the Muratti) throughout the season - BUT if the weather closes in it's nigh on impossible to get in or out of either airport sometimes for days at a time - and no-one would sooner go by ferry
- Poole to Guernsey is 3 hrs - Portsmarf is 10 !! ?

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...and while I'm here some other 'snippets' at the 'tail end' :

FC Romania formerly Southern Central/Isthmian South Central are folding - shame
- nomadic for much of their existence they were a friendly club and were easy on the eye - whenever I saw them.
- played an open expansive style where possible but hardly flourished - another whose momentum up the Pyramid may have been restricted by the COVID years.
Have sunk back down into the SSML & Essex leagues somewhere and were still playing out of Cheshunt. Never really had much of a following though.
- there were rumours of a franchise-like take-over and move into somewhere further East but it didn't happen and I've read they no longer have a primarily Romanian-community feel about them.

Nearer home the 'mighty' FC BAPCO could be folding too - have won all they are likely to in local Sunday League - think they are three-time Champs now?
- wanted to do better at a National Level but didn't manage to progress far enough in the FA Sunday Cup.
Will leave a big hole 'locally' but in truth weren't always that popular with their opponents in the R&DSFL - though their disciplinary record had improved markedly this season. Definitely made a few other Reading Sunday Premier outfits 'up their game', which was good to see.
Interesting to observe if their large squad of 'Galacticos' will dissipate into local Sunday Football - they did have had several STEPS 2-6 Sat. players in their ranks. Probably most of them could shift across into Reading City's 'Sunday' sides - there are couple of them in the R&DSFL.
Their founder/sponsor etc pro-footballer Shandon Baptiste may have stepped away of late - was signed-on as a player at Luton but is also now part of the management set-up at Rivermoor - poss. runs their Reserve side in the TVPL ?

Re bapco, it was his brother Sheldon who was the manager and now manages the reverse of reading city fc

Only time I ever saw them play (apart from videos on tube against baiteze in the national 1/4s) was against bn dons, and they did tbf play really really well but then seemed to completely implode and self destruct with disciplinary issues on the pitch.... must have been common

[Four Of Clubs]

.... they'll try to fit the Final in some time the following week ... & at the same venue, I'd guess?

Tadley won 5-0, with their #11 getting a hat-trick.

Wargrave ended up upsetting Westwood 3-1

The final is TBC, but may be Friday at Slough....

Thanks for report .... I regret wimping out of attending match ii) especially as it was indeed WW's only defeat this season
(I believe that's correct?) - and in their last match of the campaign too - still I think they grabbed a 'Treble'?
(TVPL-P title - only dropped 4 points, County Cup and BTC Senior Cup)

I decided not to bother after my 14:00 game in the EBFL at Sandhurst (School) - that finished 1-15 [FIFTEEN !! ] so hardly a contest.

Wargrave 'X' stating the Final is this Fri eve 19:45 at Rivermoor.
Can't imagine why anyone thought it would have been held all the way over at Slough .... bearing in mind the finalists - this is a TV League competition not County.
I might well go if I shift my drinkinininge evenings about ......

[Four Of Clubs]

Re bapco, it was his brother Sheldon who was the manager and now manages the reserves of reading city fc

...ta had no idea it was a different 'Baptiste' brother who 'managed' BAPCO
- Sheldon has stepped up from being the u23 manager at Reading City last season (24/25) to run the Reserves @ Rivermoor.

I'd been led to believe, that the pro-player Shandon, (whilst still signed to the Bees in the Premier - he left them in 2024) had some hand in running/assisting with the club - even to the point of being initially registered to play for them.
Could be a touch of 2+2=4.999 going on
- I'd imagine, much as others had assumed, that his contractual obligation as a pro, would preclude that on Insurance grounds?

Sadly he picked up a serious injury (ACL) in his first few weeks at Luton, very early this season 25/26.
- a quick wiki-glance might suggest he is rather injury prone too - even more reason why he'd be unlikely to risk Sunday football with his 'mates'

[Clyde1998]

.... they'll try to fit the Final in some time the following week ... & at the same venue, I'd guess?

Tadley won 5-0, with their #11 getting a hat-trick.

Wargrave ended up upsetting Westwood 3-1

The final is TBC, but may be Friday at Slough....

Thanks for report .... I regret wimping out of attending match ii) especially as it was indeed WW's only defeat this season
(I believe that's correct?) - and in their last match of the campaign too - still I think they grabbed a 'Treble'?
(TVPL-P title - only dropped 4 points, County Cup and BTC Senior Cup)

I decided not to bother after my 14:00 game in the EBFL at Sandhurst (School) - that finished 1-15 [FIFTEEN !! ] so hardly a contest.

Wargrave 'X' stating the Final is this Fri eve 19:45 at Rivermoor.
Can't imagine why anyone thought it would have been held all the way over at Slough .... bearing in mind the finalists - this is a TV League competition not County.
I might well go if I shift my drinkinininge evenings about ......

Seemed odd there was talk about the final being hosted at Slough, but wondered if that was just a 'wanting better facilities' thing. The only other thing could be a lot of the BBFA finals are at Slough and people not realising who was running this competition.

That said, there was also talk about the final being hosted at the Mad Stad next season (similar to the Senior Cup) which makes a lot more sense.

Disappointing the final is on a Friday evening, instead of at the weekend. Maybe it's just a scheduling issue with getting the facilities; teams; officials; etc. all in the same place.

Someone has done a full write up of both games:

• Holyport vs Tadley: https://wanderingtractor.uk/tadley-call ... -reserves/
• Wargrave vs Westwood: https://wanderingtractor.uk/wargrave-v- ... wanderers/

[Clyde1998]

Another decent night of football at Scours Lane.

A late Wargrave equaliser to cancel out a tenth minute Tadley goal took the game into penalties.

After a number of saves and one skied, Tadley won the cup.

[Four Of Clubs]

Another decent night of football at Scours Lane.

A late Wargrave equaliser to cancel out a tenth minute Tadley goal took the game into penalties.

After a number of saves and one skied, Tadley won the cup.

...was there too - decent turn-out - I put it at c. 200 - with the inevitable 'late-comers' - fell into late- season malaise too and forgot my cap - which is pretty mandatory at Scours for evening games when it's that sunny.
They REALLY need to sort their lights out too - late on was beyond gloomy looking back from the seats.

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.- glad I made the effort - parking was a bit tight, even when I arrived about 1/2hr before KO.

.. felt for Wargrave who pushed WW all the way in the league - finally beat them and put them out of the cup in the penultimate match - only to then come up short in the Final.
In truth thought the Tadley lads were younger fitter and quicker and should have been well clear by h/t - though I also think both sides clattered the woodwork a few times.
TC's keeper Kirrage (Tozza) was the hero with three 'plunging' saves to help turn the shoot out round from 3-1 down.

That's my lot for 25-26 now
- there was a game at Camberley's Krooner scheduled for this PM but the visitors have lapsed into late season cba and the games been awarded (to League Champions FNE) as they cannot be caught.
- tbf the title was decided last Wed in the reverse fixture - the 2 sides were in 1st & 2nd in the Guildford & Woking Alliance Premier. (Farnboro North End v Deepcut.)

- have already started working up my records following the 'new' league allocations for 26/27 - is always a bind catching up where the groundsharers have all wandered off to!!
Plan to return here sometime early July with any 'close-season' updates and news of 'Friendlies'
- not sure I actually bothered to attend any last season.

[Double C]

Another decent night of football at Scours Lane.

A late Wargrave equaliser to cancel out a tenth minute Tadley goal took the game into penalties.

After a number of saves and one skied, Tadley won the cup.

...was there too - decent turn-out - I put it at c. 200 - with the inevitable 'late-comers' - fell into late- season malaise too and forgot my cap - which is pretty mandatory at Scours for evening games when it's that sunny.
They REALLY need to sort their lights out too - late on was beyond gloomy looking back from the seats.


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.- glad I made the effort - parking was a bit tight, even when I arrived about 1/2hr before KO.

.. felt for Wargrave who pushed WW all the way in the league - finally beat them and put them out of the cup in the penultimate match - only to then come up short in the Final.
In truth thought the Tadley lads were younger fitter and quicker and should have been well clear by h/t - though I also think both sides clattered the woodwork a few times.
TC's keeper Kirrage (Tozza) was the hero with three 'plunging' saves to help turn the shoot out round from 3-1 down.

That's my lot for 25-26 now
- there was a game at Camberley's Krooner scheduled for this PM but the visitors have lapsed into late season cba and the games been awarded (to League Champions FNE) as they cannot be caught.
- tbf the title was decided last Wed in the reverse fixture - the 2 sides were in 1st & 2nd in the Guildford & Woking Alliance Premier. (Farnboro North End v Deepcut.)

- have already started working up my records following the 'new' league allocations for 26/27 - is always a bind catching up where the groundsharers have all wandered off to!!
Plan to return here sometime early July with any 'close-season' updates and news of 'Friendlies'
- not sure I actually bothered to attend any last season.

What is your "completed" looking like for next season with all the new teams?

I do feel it is only right you go to an se dons game at somepoint

Maybe an away game nearer in vase or cup