Football stats

[stealthpapes]

There's the stats that TV use and then there's the stats that the clubs actually use, which they tend to keep a little bit more secret.

That one is actually nearer to the latter case, fwiw.

[Winston Biscuit]

what I find odd is that you want someone on co coms or punditry who is skilled and knowledgeable, and can give insight to the viewer based on their experience. but the tv companies seem to have allowed themselves to feel pressured by the world of online football content which has become more and more stats based, and so now you get people with a great knowledge of the game, being handed meaningless stats to talk about, because with no context or explanation, the stats literally have no meaning

The people brought onto TV games should be counter to that world, and should be there to explain the human element of what is happening and why. Not just being told to discuss the 'impactful passes in middle 3rd' stat which someone behind the scenes has put up on the screen

[Sanguine]

Cracking stat this one, from Hull City's victory over Sheffield United. There were more combined league appearances for Sheffield United in Hull City's starting XI (463) than there were in Sheffield United's team (335).

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Cracking stat this one, from Hull City's victory over Sheffield United. There were more combined league appearances for Sheffield United in Hull City's starting XI (463) than there were in Sheffield United's team (335).

Mental
......although is that made up of a fair few players or just one or two long time Blades?

[BRO_BOT]

what I find odd is that you want someone on co coms or punditry who is skilled and knowledgeable, and can give insight to the viewer based on their experience. but the tv companies seem to have allowed themselves to feel pressured by the world of online football content which has become more and more stats based, and so now you get people with a great knowledge of the game, being handed meaningless stats to talk about, because with no context or explanation, the stats literally have no meaning

The people brought onto TV games should be counter to that world, and should be there to explain the human element of what is happening and why. Not just being told to discuss the 'impactful passes in middle 3rd' stat which someone behind the scenes has put up on the screen

The stats approach is better than the human element for certain things...initial recruitment, etc

The stat you mentioned above is probably one used to improve a model. It's a way of refining the stat to reflect what is happening on the pitch. Using it individually is a waste of time and the sort of thing journalists do (i.e. poor analysis)

If you were to refine player xG, you'd start thinking along the lines of whether the shot was on target, whether there were defenders who could block it, how good was the pass to the player etc

[Winston Biscuit]

what I find odd is that you want someone on co coms or punditry who is skilled and knowledgeable, and can give insight to the viewer based on their experience. but the tv companies seem to have allowed themselves to feel pressured by the world of online football content which has become more and more stats based, and so now you get people with a great knowledge of the game, being handed meaningless stats to talk about, because with no context or explanation, the stats literally have no meaning

The people brought onto TV games should be counter to that world, and should be there to explain the human element of what is happening and why. Not just being told to discuss the 'impactful passes in middle 3rd' stat which someone behind the scenes has put up on the screen

The stats approach is better than the human element for certain things...initial recruitment, etc

The stat you mentioned above is probably one used to improve a model. It's a way of refining the stat to reflect what is happening on the pitch. Using it individually is a waste of time and the sort of thing journalists do (i.e. poor analysis)

I think we are basically in agreement. Stats can tell you something deeper than you can see, but you need to use it alongside a bunch of other info to understand what it means. Some pundit throwing some random stat up on screen and pointing at it, as if it has any value at all is just straight up nonsense

[Sanguine]

Cracking stat this one, from Hull City's victory over Sheffield United. There were more combined league appearances for Sheffield United in Hull City's starting XI (463) than there were in Sheffield United's team (335).

Mental
......although is that made up of a fair few players or just one or two long time Blades?

Yeah. kind of ruins the stat but is basically Egan, Lundstrum and McBurnie.

[Sanguine]

Couple of crazy ones...

Between 2009-10 and 2014-15, the combined goals per game ratio (around 2.2) of Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi exceeded the output of every single individual club that played in Europe's top five leagues in that period , except obviously Real Madrid and Barcelona.

And that despite getting a jump on Messi in breaking through at 16, as of now Lamine Yamal needs to average 66 goal contributions per season for the next 18 years to match Messi's output by the time he left PSG for the MLS.

[Winston Biscuit]

crazy numbers when you look back through the stats for those two.

Ronaldo scored 46 league goals in 11-12 and still wasn't the top scorer

also, amazing to think how heavily criticised Messi was by Argentinians as it took him years to make a goalscoring impact for the national team all the while he was smashing it with Barca

[Whore Jackie]

West Ham had the ninth-highest average home attendance in the world last season.

[Sutekh]

Raise you in the pointless stats arena…

[Sanguine]

Van Nisteolrooy's numbers shout 'Leicester getting thrashed'. Third of the time in one corner of his technical area, another third slumped on the bench.

[Brum Royal]

One from the TNT sports Twitter feed this morning.

For the first time in over two years, Erling Haaland has been flagged offside in a Premier League away match

[Whore Jackie]

West Ham had the ninth-highest average home attendance in the world last season.

Follow up Haaland and West Ham stat:

Since his arrival in the Premier League, only four West Ham players have scored more goals at the London Stadium than Erling Haaland.

[Sutekh]

West Ham had the ninth-highest average home attendance in the world last season.

Follow up Haaland and West Ham stat:

Since his arrival in the Premier League, only four West Ham players have scored more goals at the London Stadium than Erling Haaland.

Unsurprising, I half expect to find out next that, despite it being Haaland, he’s actually only scored about 3 or so goals there

[Winston Biscuit]

between leaving Everton at 20 years old to move to Arsenal, and retiring from football at 32 years old, Francis Jeffers scored 22 league goals

[genome]

Before this weekend's match, Tottenham had played 11 through balls all season

[Brogue]

following their exit from the FA Cup at the weekend utd will only play 40 games this season, the fewest they have played since 1914-15

[SouthDownsRoyal]

what I find odd is that you want someone on co coms or punditry who is skilled and knowledgeable, and can give insight to the viewer based on their experience. but the tv companies seem to have allowed themselves to feel pressured by the world of online football content which has become more and more stats based, and so now you get people with a great knowledge of the game, being handed meaningless stats to talk about, because with no context or explanation, the stats literally have no meaning

The people brought onto TV games should be counter to that world, and should be there to explain the human element of what is happening and why. Not just being told to discuss the 'impactful passes in middle 3rd' stat which someone behind the scenes has put up on the screen

It all started with XG everyone seemed so excited by (many still are( by XG

[Winston Biscuit]

what I find odd is that you want someone on co coms or punditry who is skilled and knowledgeable, and can give insight to the viewer based on their experience. but the tv companies seem to have allowed themselves to feel pressured by the world of online football content which has become more and more stats based, and so now you get people with a great knowledge of the game, being handed meaningless stats to talk about, because with no context or explanation, the stats literally have no meaning

The people brought onto TV games should be counter to that world, and should be there to explain the human element of what is happening and why. Not just being told to discuss the 'impactful passes in middle 3rd' stat which someone behind the scenes has put up on the screen

It all started with XG everyone seemed so excited by (many still are( by XG

I hate XG with a passion, and judge people strongly on whether they buy into it (fall for it) or not.