Bowen sacked

[Winston Biscuit]

The comments about MB on twitter are social media at its worst.

[Uke]

Bowen was no Ron Gourlay

[Brogue]

Bowen was no Ron Gourlay

Correct. Ron gourlay was appointed CEO Mark Bowen was appointed director of football operations.

It’s like saying Mark Zuckerberg is no Nick clegg

[Green]

The comments about MB on twitter are social media at its worst.

What kinds of things are they saying?

Has his home address been posted yet?

[Forbury Lion]

Wonder what odds were on offer for Bowen to be manager just before he appointed himself manager?

[Forbury Lion]

Regarding the legal action Bowen has broken football league rules, that`s a sackable offence in itself. he`ll need a decent lawyer to get a pay out on that.

It depends, Only those above you can sack you, not those who report into you so it would have been the CEO or the owner - Do we really think either of them know what they're doing with regards to UK employment law?

If the incompetent owner or CEO confirmed to him that matter was done and dusted with no further action then they can't sack him at a later date for that same reason, Similarly if they don't give a valid reason and follow the correct procedure or worse still, give an honest but stupid answer like "You've done a great job, but we just want rid of you" then he has a claim.

Probably just badly handled to avoid giving him a payoff.

[rabidbee]

Probably just badly handled to avoid giving him a payoff.

I mean, those are the exact circumstances which would result in a pay-off.

The fact he’s taking us to a tribunal (I assume) doesn’t mean he has a case, that has yet to be established.

[Snowflake Royal]

Regarding the legal action Bowen has broken football league rules, that`s a sackable offence in itself. he`ll need a decent lawyer to get a pay out on that.

It depends, Only those above you can sack you, not those who report into you so it would have been the CEO or the owner - Do we really think either of them know what they're doing with regards to UK employment law?

If the incompetent owner or CEO confirmed to him that matter was done and dusted with no further action then they can't sack him at a later date for that same reason, Similarly if they don't give a valid reason and follow the correct procedure or worse still, give an honest but stupid answer like "You've done a great job, but we just want rid of you" then he has a claim.

Probably just badly handled to avoid giving him a payoff.

I would expect there's more than just the CEO or owner. Head of HR for example

[Crusader Royal]

Regarding the legal action Bowen has broken football league rules, that`s a sackable offence in itself. he`ll need a decent lawyer to get a pay out on that.

It depends, Only those above you can sack you, not those who report into you so it would have been the CEO or the owner - Do we really think either of them know what they're doing with regards to UK employment law?

If the incompetent owner or CEO confirmed to him that matter was done and dusted with no further action then they can't sack him at a later date for that same reason, Similarly if they don't give a valid reason and follow the correct procedure or worse still, give an honest but stupid answer like "You've done a great job, but we just want rid of you" then he has a claim.

Probably just badly handled to avoid giving him a payoff.

I would expect there's more than just the CEO or owner. Head of HR for example

The structure will be documented.
To get rid of a senior manager would at least require sign off from the CEO even if the actual recommendation and action came from the HR dept.
It’s easy to see how it might have unravelled if Courig et al are actually running the show but Pang is still legally the CEO. For all we know Pang has disappeared back to China.
Couhig could have taken a decision that morally the right thing to do was let Bowen go and they would mop up the consequences. Bowen is hardly going to win a huge payout having committed multiple repeat offences. I would guess he’s hoping to lean on ‘they sacked me to save money and the betting was just an excuse’ line and they will give him a token payment to go away.
Can’t see him finding it easy to get another job in English football….
Is his son still at the club, his position may be a little awkward.

[72 bus]

It depends, Only those above you can sack you, not those who report into you so it would have been the CEO or the owner - Do we really think either of them know what they're doing with regards to UK employment law?

If the incompetent owner or CEO confirmed to him that matter was done and dusted with no further action then they can't sack him at a later date for that same reason, Similarly if they don't give a valid reason and follow the correct procedure or worse still, give an honest but stupid answer like "You've done a great job, but we just want rid of you" then he has a claim.

Probably just badly handled to avoid giving him a payoff.

I would expect there's more than just the CEO or owner. Head of HR for example

The structure will be documented.
To get rid of a senior manager would at least require sign off from the CEO even if the actual recommendation and action came from the HR dept.
It’s easy to see how it might have unravelled if Courig et al are actually running the show but Pang is still legally the CEO. For all we know Pang has disappeared back to China.
Couhig could have taken a decision that morally the right thing to do was let Bowen go and they would mop up the consequences. Bowen is hardly going to win a huge payout having committed multiple repeat offences. I would guess he’s hoping to lean on ‘they sacked me to save money and the betting was just an excuse’ line and they will give him a token payment to go away.
Can’t see him finding it easy to get another job in English football….
Is his son still at the club, his position may be a little awkward.

He possibly feels he was unfairly treated as other staff members that also broke the same
rules were not sacked.

[Brogue]

I would expect there's more than just the CEO or owner. Head of HR for example

The structure will be documented.
To get rid of a senior manager would at least require sign off from the CEO even if the actual recommendation and action came from the HR dept.
It’s easy to see how it might have unravelled if Courig et al are actually running the show but Pang is still legally the CEO. For all we know Pang has disappeared back to China.
Couhig could have taken a decision that morally the right thing to do was let Bowen go and they would mop up the consequences. Bowen is hardly going to win a huge payout having committed multiple repeat offences. I would guess he’s hoping to lean on ‘they sacked me to save money and the betting was just an excuse’ line and they will give him a token payment to go away.
Can’t see him finding it easy to get another job in English football….
Is his son still at the club, his position may be a little awkward.

He possibly feels he was unfairly treated as other staff members that also broke the same
rules were not sacked.

Other staff members have been caught betting?

[morganb]

I would expect there's more than just the CEO or owner. Head of HR for example

The structure will be documented.
To get rid of a senior manager would at least require sign off from the CEO even if the actual recommendation and action came from the HR dept.
It’s easy to see how it might have unravelled if Courig et al are actually running the show but Pang is still legally the CEO. For all we know Pang has disappeared back to China.
Couhig could have taken a decision that morally the right thing to do was let Bowen go and they would mop up the consequences. Bowen is hardly going to win a huge payout having committed multiple repeat offences. I would guess he’s hoping to lean on ‘they sacked me to save money and the betting was just an excuse’ line and they will give him a token payment to go away.
Can’t see him finding it easy to get another job in English football….
Is his son still at the club, his position may be a little awkward.

He possibly feels he was unfairly treated as other staff members that also broke the same
rules were not sacked.

No other member of staff has been caught betting on football matches. There were the (suggested) payments to Olise's agent where a couple of others were involved too but didn't they just get a stern telling off (as first offence?) rather than the suspension that Bowen got for his repeat betting charges.

[Sutekh]

The structure will be documented.
To get rid of a senior manager would at least require sign off from the CEO even if the actual recommendation and action came from the HR dept.
It’s easy to see how it might have unravelled if Courig et al are actually running the show but Pang is still legally the CEO. For all we know Pang has disappeared back to China.
Couhig could have taken a decision that morally the right thing to do was let Bowen go and they would mop up the consequences. Bowen is hardly going to win a huge payout having committed multiple repeat offences. I would guess he’s hoping to lean on ‘they sacked me to save money and the betting was just an excuse’ line and they will give him a token payment to go away.
Can’t see him finding it easy to get another job in English football….
Is his son still at the club, his position may be a little awkward.

He possibly feels he was unfairly treated as other staff members that also broke the same
rules were not sacked.

No other member of staff has been caught betting on football matches. There were the (suggested) payments to Olise's agent where a couple of others were involved too but didn't they just get a stern telling off (as first offence?) rather than the suspension that Bowen got for his repeat betting charges.

Thought that that is where Howe's suspension came from.

[Snowflake Royal]

He possibly feels he was unfairly treated as other staff members that also broke the same
rules were not sacked.

No other member of staff has been caught betting on football matches. There were the (suggested) payments to Olise's agent where a couple of others were involved too but didn't they just get a stern telling off (as first offence?) rather than the suspension that Bowen got for his repeat betting charges.

Thought that that is where Howe's suspension came from.

Absolutely not. That's always been very clearly about RFC agreeing to a clause in a contract for Olisewith his agent that they knew would never be allowed and removed by the FL just to keep the deal moving forward.

[Crusader Royal]

I would expect there's more than just the CEO or owner. Head of HR for example

The structure will be documented.
To get rid of a senior manager would at least require sign off from the CEO even if the actual recommendation and action came from the HR dept.
It’s easy to see how it might have unravelled if Courig et al are actually running the show but Pang is still legally the CEO. For all we know Pang has disappeared back to China.
Couhig could have taken a decision that morally the right thing to do was let Bowen go and they would mop up the consequences. Bowen is hardly going to win a huge payout having committed multiple repeat offences. I would guess he’s hoping to lean on ‘they sacked me to save money and the betting was just an excuse’ line and they will give him a token payment to go away.
Can’t see him finding it easy to get another job in English football….
Is his son still at the club, his position may be a little awkward.

He possibly feels he was unfairly treated as other staff members that also broke the same
rules were not sacked.

Almost everyone who gets sacked will feel they were unfairly treated…..

The difference between the offences is huge.

[Forbury Lion]

No other member of staff has been caught betting on football matches. There were the (suggested) payments to Olise's agent where a couple of others were involved too but didn't they just get a stern telling off (as first offence?) rather than the suspension that Bowen got for his repeat betting charges.

It could be argued that betting on matches wasn't what bought the club into disrepute, what bought the club into disrepute was Bowen being charged and suspended by the FA for betting offences.

If it had remained internal then maybe the club would have dealt with it differently, although I don't know if the club are obliged to notify the FA in such circumstances.

Maybe there is more to this, maybe the club have further evidence which was not presented to the FA? Although if that was the case, I imagine Bowen wouldn't be fighting this.

[Sutekh]

No other member of staff has been caught betting on football matches. There were the (suggested) payments to Olise's agent where a couple of others were involved too but didn't they just get a stern telling off (as first offence?) rather than the suspension that Bowen got for his repeat betting charges.

It could be argued that betting on matches wasn't what bought the club into disrepute, what bought the club into disrepute was Bowen being charged and suspended by the FA for betting offences.

If it had remained internal then maybe the club would have dealt with it differently, although I don't know if the club are obliged to notify the FA in such circumstances.

Maybe there is more to this, maybe the club have further evidence which was not presented to the FA? Although if that was the case, I imagine Bowen wouldn't be fighting this.

Aren't betting establishments obliged to inform the FA if they find that a player/manager has placed a football related bet through them?

[Uke]

Bowen was no Ron Gourlay

Correct. Ron gourlay was appointed CEO Mark Bowen was appointed director of football operations.

It’s like saying Mark Zuckerberg is no Nick clegg

So my post was correct

[Brogue]

Bowen was no Ron Gourlay

Correct. Ron gourlay was appointed CEO Mark Bowen was appointed director of football operations.

It’s like saying Mark Zuckerberg is no Nick clegg

So my post was correct

please see the first word of my previous reply

[Uke]

Correct. Ron gourlay was appointed CEO Mark Bowen was appointed director of football operations.

It’s like saying Mark Zuckerberg is no Nick clegg

So my post was correct

please see the first word of my previous reply

The Bowen for new Mod campaign starts here!