Next England Manager

[Stranded]

Well maybe our golden generation weren't actually golden or we have an incredibly low bar for bigging up players.

6 knock out game wins since 1966 - 6! Suggests that we still do not really know our place in the pecking order of world football and assume we are better than we are, because often the press tell us we are the best and should be winning this or that.

Everyone talks about the work Germany did in 2000 to reset the national team - this worked because they saw the issue coming almost before it did - they had one bad tournament after being used to getting to the latter stages and decided to act quickly and firmly. More importantly the clubs bought into it though, they didn't really have much choice, hence why it worked.

For England, the issue is built-in, we think we should be winning things but since winning a home World Cup half a century ago have lived off this rather than actually properly looking at the issues we have had for decades and fixing them. The creation of the Premier League simply exacerbated the issue as the FA lost control of the league and the clubs took power making it harder to almost impossible to do anything worthwhile to improve the England team as the clubs want to do what's best for them not the national team. Even the home grown rule is a cop out as the players don't have to be English.

The PL also means people think (not necessarily people on here, more of a wider statement) that these players are better than they are so a player breaks through at Man Utd for example and there is a clamour to pick him because he must be better than the guy doing a really good job at Watford, right? He's not just looking better because he has higher quality players around him than are available to England?

We supposed have this England-DNA, a way of playing throughout the youth set up at England level, which is great but it isn't as yet implemented with the full side. If this is the way we want to play, then it needs to come in now at the top level and over the next few years bring through the younger players who are playing it at U21 and under and play them in the roles they know - no shoehorning in off big name players - just the best player for the right role. Then and only then we will see if we will ever have a true "golden generation" who are capable of winning something.

My viewpoint is we probably haven't. The other thing we need to sort out is the tournament mentality - in England it is almost demanded that the team hit the ground running and there is a win this match mentality. Living in Germany I notice there is a different outlook - it is more win this tournament, not necessarily this game. The odd poor performance is accepted, esp. in group stages as everyone accepts it is about being there when the QFs start and then backing yourself to get the job done regardless of the opposition.

In England, it's we must win this game and looking for the easiest route possible is almost an obsession whereas we should be looking at progression and looking to hit stride in the latter stages - simply backing the team to get it done. Sadly, I'm not sure that mindset will ever change both for the fans, and probably the players.

[Sutekh]

My first choice is Coppell. After that it's Pardew and then after that someone like Allardyce or Pulis. I don't want another foreign manager in charge.

+1

[bcubed]

I heard Rafa being suggested yesterday

At least he knows how to handle highly paid prima donnas and he knows how to win a knockout competition

[Top Flight]

Well maybe our golden generation weren't actually golden or we have an incredibly low bar for bigging up players.

6 knock out game wins since 1966 - 6! Suggests that we still do not really know our place in the pecking order of world football and assume we are better than we are, because often the press tell us we are the best and should be winning this or that.

Everyone talks about the work Germany did in 2000 to reset the national team - this worked because they saw the issue coming almost before it did - they had one bad tournament after being used to getting to the latter stages and decided to act quickly and firmly. More importantly the clubs bought into it though, they didn't really have much choice, hence why it worked.

For England, the issue is built-in, we think we should be winning things but since winning a home World Cup half a century ago have lived off this rather than actually properly looking at the issues we have had for decades and fixing them. The creation of the Premier League simply exacerbated the issue as the FA lost control of the league and the clubs took power making it harder to almost impossible to do anything worthwhile to improve the England team as the clubs want to do what's best for them not the national team. Even the home grown rule is a cop out as the players don't have to be English.

The PL also means people think (not necessarily people on here, more of a wider statement) that these players are better than they are so a player breaks through at Man Utd for example and there is a clamour to pick him because he must be better than the guy doing a really good job at Watford, right? He's not just looking better because he has higher quality players around him than are available to England?

We supposed have this England-DNA, a way of playing throughout the youth set up at England level, which is great but it isn't as yet implemented with the full side. If this is the way we want to play, then it needs to come in now at the top level and over the next few years bring through the younger players who are playing it at U21 and under and play them in the roles they know - no shoehorning in off big name players - just the best player for the right role. Then and only then we will see if we will ever have a true "golden generation" who are capable of winning something.

My viewpoint is we probably haven't. The other thing we need to sort out is the tournament mentality - in England it is almost demanded that the team hit the ground running and there is a win this match mentality. Living in Germany I notice there is a different outlook - it is more win this tournament, not necessarily this game. The odd poor performance is accepted, esp. in group stages as everyone accepts it is about being there when the QFs start and then backing yourself to get the job done regardless of the opposition.

In England, it's we must win this game and looking for the easiest route possible is almost an obsession whereas we should be looking at progression and looking to hit stride in the latter stages - simply backing the team to get it done. Sadly, I'm not sure that mindset will ever change both for the fans, and probably the players.

The situation with the England team is going to get massively over analysed in the next few weeks and looked at very deeply. Too many foreign players. Players earning too much money make them prima donnas, You're talking about some England DNA. This is all nonsense.

For me, it's very simple. We were disorganised and unsure of our selves. It's very obviously Roy's fault.

You say we think we are way better than we actually are. But, Wales are in the QF and we're not. We have blatantly under achieved again.

Just compare the two sides:

Hart better than Hennessy
Walker better than Gunter
Cahill similar to A.Williams
Smalling better than Chester
Rose slightly better than Taylor
Dier better than Ledley
Alli similar to Ramsey
Lallana slightly better than Allen
Kane worse than Bale
Sturridge better than HRK.
I won't compare Sterling to Wales third centre back as that is pointless.

We were disorganised but Wales were organised
We didn't know our best team, Wales did.
We both had lots of team spirit and desire. Wales perhaps a little more.
Wales knew their system and had been playing it with these players for years and we didn't

All of these problems come from the manager and coaching team.

We could all name Bobby Robsons England 11 and that team were like Wales. Organised, knew their system, had been playing together for years, had spirit, had leaders on the pitch, knew their system.

We need a manager who is capable of making tough decisions. Make a choice between Clyne and Walker. They are both so good and similar. Who is better? I don't know. But choose one. Choose your strikers. Is it Kane and Sturridge? Choose two and stick with them. Build a proper team. Bring Vardy in when Sturridge is injured. Choose a balanced, good side, choose a system and work on it. Build something.

Roy experimented and experimented and never built anything. He didn't work on anything. He was too indecisive in the end. We need a tough manager who will make tough decisions that will be argued and criticised endlessly on talksport. But the boss has to make these decisions and stick to it...

Who is tough enough for the England job? That is the question.

Maybe that is where Coppell falls down. Otherwise his managerial methods seem to suit very well.

[Royal With Cheese]

I heard Rafa being suggested yesterday

At least he knows how to handle highly paid prima donnas and he knows how to win a knockout competition

Reluctantly would get me vote.

[Sutekh]

I heard Rafa being suggested yesterday

At least he knows how to handle highly paid prima donnas and he knows how to win a knockout competition

Reluctantly would get me vote.

If only to try and ****** up Newcastle's season.

[stealthpapes]

Stranded - with respect to Germany, they saw the problems years before and people had been pointing out the dearth of players coming through from around 1992 onwards. They were knocked out in 92, 94 and 98 to 'weaker' teams, even if they'd not been utterly embarassed. But the feeling in the clubs and country was of, well, malaise forever.

The issues are all at the grassroots and junior levels, and only increase from there.

Anything else, manager, playing one player or another ahead of a third, anything - that's just deckchairs on the Titanic stuff.

[Top Flight]

A foreign manager like Rafa or Arsene Wenger who have managed in England would be much better than people like Sven or Capello who had never managed in England prior to taking the England job. I think part of the criteria for choosing a manager should be experience of the English game and players and proven success achieved in England, not Italy or Spain.

[Brosef Stalin]

Would anyone take Harry Redknapp

[AthleticoSpizz]

I gaurantee you it will not be 'arry

[Winston Smith]

I cannot even think of one person I would want as England manager.

that is all.

[Ark Royal]

Like Germany, Belgium, France, Spain, the only way the national team are going to become genuine contenders is by way of a root and branch change to the national coaching setup. We need to encourage more qualification at UEFA 'B' and 'A' level by drastically reducing the cost - have you seen the cost compared to Spain and Germany? No wonder they have thousands more qualified than England. We need more outdoor pitches built and structures at county and club level to standardize development of kids from as young as 3-4 upwards. We need to scrap competitive games games for kids up to the age of 12 so their focus is purely on technique: technically - as well as mentally - England were the weakest nation at the Euros. We also need to be prepared to give up the chance of any competitive tournament football for the next 15-20 years.

The F.A. need to force the county F.A.'s and clubs - including the PL - to adopt the same philosophy. Unfortunately, the F.A. have sold their soul to the devil and I cannot see anything like it happening. England will remain the footballing equivalent of North Korea: an inward-looking, self-flagellating, hermit state totally oblivious to outside influences.

Oh and Gareth Southgate should not even be the question, let alone the fu cking answer.

[Top Flight]

Like Germany, Belgium, France, Spain, the only way the national team are going to become genuine contenders is by way of a root and branch change to the national coaching setup. We need to encourage more qualification at UEFA 'B' and 'A' level by drastically reducing the cost - have you seen the coast compare to Spain and Germany? No wonder they have thousands more qualified than England. We need more outdoor pitches built and structures at county and club level to standardize development of kids from as young as 3-4 upwards. We need to scrap competitive games games for kids up to the age of 12 so their focus is purely on technique: technically - as well as mentally - England were the weakest nation at the Euros. We also need to be prepared to give up the chance of any competitive tournament football for the next 15-20 years.

The F.A. need to force the county F.A.'s and clubs - including the PL - to adopt the same philosophy. Unfortunately, the F.A. have sold their soul to the devil and I cannot see anything like it happening. England will remain the footballing equivalent of North Korea: an inward-looking, self-flagellating, hermit state totally oblivious to outside influences.

Oh and Gareth Southgate should not even be the question, let alone the fu cking answer.

You're probably right. All that you have mentioned should be done and may increase the availability of talented players in the UK.

However, this campaign failed very simply because Roy kept experimenting throughout his tenure and never settled on a proper first 11, a system/way of playing.

Our failure was more to do with Roy's managerial methods rather than anything deeper than that. And Roy is a very good manager. It just shows that managing a national side is very different to managing a club side. He doesn't have a squad of 30. He has a squad of 100s to choose from.

The England manager needs to be decisive and bold. He needs to be brave and stick by a team and a system. Sadly, his selections will be scrutinized massively in the press and media and his decisions will always be criticised.

It is a very difficult job. Someone who can maintain consistency and continuity and build something when everyone else is telling them that they are wrong is an important trait to possess. Who'd want to be an England manager?

[paultheroyal]

Southgate turns it down, interim and permanent which scuppers FA plans in appointing Wenger in 2017.

Leaves them in a spot of bother.

[Brosef Stalin]

I gaurantee you it will not be 'arry

slightly more ironclad than a Bro guarantee

[thirtyyarder]

Watching on Monday I was reminded of the qualifier against Greece all those years ago. We played like shite and had to be resc used by an inspired Beckham.

In both games obviously quality players weren't able to do the simplest things. Seeing Kane let an easy pass slip under his foot was similar to Scholes suddenly not being able to pass the ball 5m to another player. It is such an incredible drop in ability that the problem can only be mental. It's complicated because in this case the spirit seemed good, but there were fundamental flaws in the team's structure and coaching. This is interesting in itself, because Hodgson is obviously a good coach, but appears to have suffered from the same brain fart that affected the players. With other coaches, it could have been that the players were good, but the spirit was poor, or the tactics, or whatever, generally when we implode, there is a lack of character instead of a lack of quality.

Having said all that, we clearly need a coach who can organise the team, but far more important would be a coach who can either act as a lightning rod to take the pressure off the players, or someone who creates a siege mentality to make the players forget about public opinion.

Of the current horrible options, I would probably choose Allardyce. I think it's a little early for Eddie Howe. In spite of thinking he's a bit of a dick, Pardew has taken two average teams to cup finals. Since international football is essentially cup football, he can't be ignored.

[Vision]

Stranded - with respect to Germany, they saw the problems years before and people had been pointing out the dearth of players coming through from around 1992 onwards. They were knocked out in 92, 94 and 98 to 'weaker' teams, even if they'd not been utterly embarassed. But the feeling in the clubs and country was of, well, malaise forever.

The issues are all at the grassroots and junior levels, and only increase from there.

Anything else, manager, playing one player or another ahead of a third, anything - that's just deckchairs on the Titanic stuff.

I think also the merging of East and West Germany temporarily confused things for them in the period you're talking about in the 90's

Might also be relevant to mention they also started to engage and include the immigrant population too which wasn't necessarily the case previously.

[John Smith]

I heard Rafa being suggested yesterday

At least he knows how to handle highly paid prima donnas and he knows how to win a knockout competition

He's the only man out of the names being mentioned that I'd take. I heard Klinsmann being touted as well.

I feel the next man might have to be a foreigner. Although it didn't work with Capello there's simply a shortage of decent English managers out there and perhaps a fresh pair of eyes is what's required.

[No Fixed Abode]

Diego Simeone for me. Or someone of that ilk. Organisation and clever game management is what the national team need.

We're just too nicey, nicey and not clever enough at winning games in major tournaments.

[Hoop Blah]

Sir Bobby Robsons England team was very settled. We all knew what that lineup would be. England just need to stick to a plan.

No it wasn't. He completely changed formation a few games into the 1990 WC, apparently at the request of the players.

I'm still a bit too pissed off at the display on Monday night to give it too much thought, either the why's or the who next.

I do think it's down to a mentality thing though as the players we have, and have always had, are much better than the performances we all too often see. As others have said, we looked quite good until the last couple of friendlies and when Hodgson seemed to lose the plot a bit. Apart from not making the most of our attacking opportunities (that's a pretty big flaw) I still think we played quite well in the group games but it is pretty clear that Hodgson lost any clear thinking he'd had before, I think that's almost a product of having too many options at his disposal.

Rafa is an interesting option. He's stubborn enough to pick his team and stay with it, developing the side and system he wants, not what the press and Joe Public wants. Big Sam would be pretty similar too.

I still think there's unfinished business with Hoddle too. His side was very good for the most part and he still talks a lot of sense. It might be a bit of a gamble to appoint him but he can certainly see the flaws better than the likes of Shearer and co.

Pardew knows how to organise a side, and is certainly passionate. I'm not sure how well he'd handle the better players though.