Hark at Wyclef Jean over here.Elm Park Kid wrote:Selles will be gone by October.
What's the top for you? I think I'll be pretty happy if we're in and around the play-offs with the playing stuff currently the way it is.Royal_jimmy wrote:I'll never be Selles in unless we're near the top of league one
a) LIke Parj and Brian, Stam had a clean slate in terms of first team management so he could go either way unlike Selles who has given it a bash and has proven himself to be beyond awful b) Stam was actually ultimately shite.SCIAG wrote:Middle ground, no expectations, open to good things but alert to bad ones.
People thought Stam would be a disaster and he had us penalties away from promotion.
At this point top half is looking positive.Hendo wrote:What's the top for you? I think I'll be pretty happy if we're in and around the play-offs with the playing stuff currently the way it is.Royal_jimmy wrote:I'll never be Selles in unless we're near the top of league one
Do you think Pardew or McDermott would have kept Southampton up? What about, say, Simon Grayson, who is probably the best League One manager of recent years?Millsy wrote:a) LIke Parj and Brian, Stam had a clean slate in terms of first team management so he could go either way unlike Selles who has given it a bash and has proven himself to be beyond awful b) Stam was actually ultimately shite.SCIAG wrote:Middle ground, no expectations, open to good things but alert to bad ones.
People thought Stam would be a disaster and he had us penalties away from promotion.
With the squad that we have currently we'd do very well to finish above the bottom 8Snowflake Royal wrote:At this point top half is looking positive.Hendo wrote:What's the top for you? I think I'll be pretty happy if we're in and around the play-offs with the playing stuff currently the way it is.Royal_jimmy wrote:I'll never be Selles in unless we're near the top of league one
Same deal as anyone else for me. Below mid-table is disappointing but tolerable under the circumstances. Below 16th and not. And just generally being oxf*rd useless and things falling apart no matter whether there was a good run 10 games ago isn’t good enough.
It’s not about keeping them up it’s about the stats. I think any manager could have gotten at least a new manager honeymoon (like Ince at least did when he kept us up) bounce out of them and thus better stats but he was just awful throughout. But even if not, what… the best you’ve got is “Well perhaps he isn’t *that* shit”.SCIAG wrote:Do you think Pardew or McDermott would have kept Southampton up? What about, say, Simon Grayson, who is probably the best League One manager of recent years?Millsy wrote:a) LIke Parj and Brian, Stam had a clean slate in terms of first team management so he could go either way unlike Selles who has given it a bash and has proven himself to be beyond awful b) Stam was actually ultimately shite.SCIAG wrote:Middle ground, no expectations, open to good things but alert to bad ones.
People thought Stam would be a disaster and he had us penalties away from promotion.
It's just a bit of a shit way of judging someone, isn't it? Hassenhuttl and Jones both couldn't get anything out of that side, they were out of their depth after years of poor recruitment, they were basically bottom all season. It doesn't seem especially relevant to whether someone will be a success in another job, unless that job is also managing the worst team in the Premier League.
Any manager could have done, but it's hardly guaranteed. Many tipped Leeds to stay up when Allardyce took over, but he was a disaster.Millsy wrote:It’s not about keeping them up it’s about the stats. I think any manager could have gotten at least a new manager honeymoon (like Ince at least did when he kept us up) bounce out of them and thus better stats but he was just awful throughout. But even if not, what… the best you’ve got is “Well perhaps he isn’t *that* shit”.SCIAG wrote:Do you think Pardew or McDermott would have kept Southampton up? What about, say, Simon Grayson, who is probably the best League One manager of recent years?Millsy wrote:
a) LIke Parj and Brian, Stam had a clean slate in terms of first team management so he could go either way unlike Selles who has given it a bash and has proven himself to be beyond awful b) Stam was actually ultimately shite.
It's just a bit of a shit way of judging someone, isn't it? Hassenhuttl and Jones both couldn't get anything out of that side, they were out of their depth after years of poor recruitment, they were basically bottom all season. It doesn't seem especially relevant to whether someone will be a success in another job, unless that job is also managing the worst team in the Premier League.
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