Coronavirus outbreak

[Snowflake Royal]

Not a chance in hell of anything carrying over.

[RoyalBlue]

It’s potentially very messy. There remains the prospect of the games being played behind closed doors just to bring the season to a conclusion. I don’t like the idea of points being carried over to next season.

We have to do SOMEthing for Leeds.


















Cough

Well that was effing irresponsible - coughing in an unprotected manner on a forum visited by so many!

[Snowball]

It’s potentially very messy. There remains the prospect of the games being played behind closed doors just to bring the season to a conclusion. I don’t like the idea of points being carried over to next season.

We have to do SOMEthing for Leeds.


















Cough

Well that was effing irresponsible - coughing in an unprotected manner on a forum visited by so many!

I coughed in isolation inside my safe room, wearing a hazmat suit

[Snowball]

I am seriously rough now, still not had a result.

[Newbie1871]

Any idea what will happen with our loanee and out of contract players? I’m assuming their contract will run to a set date and not to the end of the season (whenever that may come), so we might play the rest of our games without them.

Likewise would the transfer window remain in place for the summer window, meaning we could sign new players before we play out the remainder of the season.

[Snowball]

Wow

Uk deaths jump from 11 to 21 in a single day

[CountryRoyal]

Reckon we will get partial refund on season tickets if the season is abandoned? Or at least reduced season ticket cost for next season *if all this shit is over by then.

[Stranded]

It’s potentially very messy. There remains the prospect of the games being played behind closed doors just to bring the season to a conclusion. I don’t like the idea of points being carried over to next season.

The only way this season gets finished, IMO, is with games played at training grounds not stadiums. Probably with squads having to be tested 24 hours before kick off to ensure limited risk to infection. Games will also kick off at random times i.e. Merseyside derby at 11am on a Thursday.

[One87One]

Wow

Uk deaths jump from 11 to 21 in a single day

90,000 die every year from the Flu, but please do keep buying into the fear-mongering being peddled left and right.

[Zip]

Reckon we will get partial refund on season tickets if the season is abandoned? Or at least reduced season ticket cost for next season *if all this shit is over by then.

Think it will be the latter. Maybe £50 off the price of the new ST. Attendances are down year on year again so this would be a way of keeping hold of STH’s for another season.

[Snowball]

Wow

Uk deaths jump from 11 to 21 in a single day

90,000 die every year from the Flu, but please do keep buying into the fear-mongering being peddled left and right.

Check your facts. There was an article in The Lancet explaining how
Governments have been exaggerating deaths by seasonal flu to try
and "persuade" people to take flu jabs.

The 1918, incorrectly-called "Spanish Flu" which had a death rate of just 2-3%
killed up to 100 MILLION, and that when the world had one third of its current population.

Exactly WHY would governments, left, right, or central be committing near-suicide commercially
if they didn't think this was a very, VERY serious problem?

Over 250 died in Italy of Coronavirus yesterday. But, of course, that's false news...

Governments really want to crash their stock exchanges, create a depression, put tens of millions
out of work, watch airlines, cruise-lines, restaurant-chains to collapse, to put millions on the dole?

Grow up and engage brain

[Stranded]

Wow

Uk deaths jump from 11 to 21 in a single day

90,000 die every year from the Flu, but please do keep buying into the fear-mongering being peddled left and right.

In the UK, 1700 died (est. 34k global deaths) n the last flu season we have records for. If more or less people end up dying from this is academic. These will be extra deaths that wouldn't have otherwise occurred.

[tmesis]

Wow

Uk deaths jump from 11 to 21 in a single day

90,000 die every year from the Flu, but please do keep buying into the fear-mongering being peddled left and right.

In the UK, 1700 died (est. 34k global deaths) n the last flu season we have records for. If more or less people end up dying from this is academic. These will be extra deaths that wouldn't have otherwise occurred.

Deaths will always lag behind cases as well, as it takes quite a few days before people die.

And it's inevitable that the number of actual cases is far higher than the number of reported cases, simply because many with milder symptoms won't get tested, but can still spread the disease.

According to the data, every person on the Diamond Princess cruise ship has been been infected. 696 people, 7 deaths, with 32 still critical. Given that there are no unknown cases on board, that gives a mortality rate of 1% as a minimum, 10 times more deadly than normal flu, and seeing that rise to 2% doesn't seem unreasonable. 2% is approaching Spanish Flu mortality levels.

The big danger comes from a big spike in cases, because there simply won't be the capacity to treat the critical cases with out health system.

[Snowball]

90,000 die every year from the Flu, but please do keep buying into the fear-mongering being peddled left and right.

In the UK, 1700 died (est. 34k global deaths) n the last flu season we have records for. If more or less people end up dying from this is academic. These will be extra deaths that wouldn't have otherwise occurred.

Deaths will always lag behind cases as well, as it takes quite a few days before people die.

And it's inevitable that the number of actual cases is far higher than the number of reported cases, simply because many with milder symptoms won't get tested, but can still spread the disease.

According to the data, every person on the Diamond Princess cruise ship has been been infected. 696 people, 7 deaths, with 32 still critical. Given that there are no unknown cases on board, that gives a mortality rate of 1% as a minimum, 10 times more deadly than normal flu, and seeing that rise to 2% doesn't seem unreasonable. 2% is approaching Spanish Flu mortality levels.

The big danger comes from a big spike in cases, because there simply won't be the capacity to treat the critical cases with out health system.

Good points. One small redeeming factor is that the age-demographic of those cruising is mostly 60+
and (for example) the death rate for 80+ is 15%

As you hint at, it's not Infected minus deaths. There are as many seriously unwell as there are recovered. We should expect the same death rate (possibly higher) for all those currently critical. Also older people may technically scrape through but have seriously compromised organs. They may well die 6/9/12 months down the line and possible not be recorded as CV19 victims.

Think of Swine Flu, Bird-Flu, SARS and MERS. The isolation/restrictions etc for those were nothing like this time round.

And I think MERS though it didn't spread too much, had a ridiculously-high mortality rate (35%) BUT DIDN'T SPREAD OUTSIDE HOSPITALS


2,494 CASES - 800 DEATHS - 35% - - - MERS
8,096 CASES - 774 DEATHS - 9.56% - - SARS

150,000 RECORDED cases, 5,610 Deaths = Death rate (for recorded cases) of 3.73% COV-19

We are fast-approaching 6,000 Deaths, virtually FOUR TIMES SARS & MERS combined and this pandemic is nowhere near its peak


If the government-linked experts are correct (that 80% will get it)
and if the overall death rate is just 1% (note above it's currently 3.7%
of confirmed cases) then that equates to 1,000,000 deaths in the UK alone.

That's not a typo.

So if miraculously the death rate in the UK is only half a per cent
63 Million * 0.8 * 0.5% is still half a million people.

Germany has ordered 10,000 new medical ventilators (cost $170 Million)
and Italy has ordered 5,000. How many has the UK ordered?

[Snowball]

Here is a thought

Italy reported it's first CV-19 Death February 22nd

21 days later it is now on 1,266

That is a death rate (for recorded cases) of 7.17%

Out of 17,660 recorded cases Just 1,439 cases are considered recovered
with 14,995 still active, may critically ill.

[tmesis]

In the UK, 1700 died (est. 34k global deaths) n the last flu season we have records for. If more or less people end up dying from this is academic. These will be extra deaths that wouldn't have otherwise occurred.

Deaths will always lag behind cases as well, as it takes quite a few days before people die.

And it's inevitable that the number of actual cases is far higher than the number of reported cases, simply because many with milder symptoms won't get tested, but can still spread the disease.

According to the data, every person on the Diamond Princess cruise ship has been been infected. 696 people, 7 deaths, with 32 still critical. Given that there are no unknown cases on board, that gives a mortality rate of 1% as a minimum, 10 times more deadly than normal flu, and seeing that rise to 2% doesn't seem unreasonable. 2% is approaching Spanish Flu mortality levels.

The big danger comes from a big spike in cases, because there simply won't be the capacity to treat the critical cases with out health system.

Good points. One small redeeming factor is that the age-demographic of those cruising is mostly 60+
and (for example) the death rate for 80+ is 15%

As you hint at, it's not Infected minus deaths. There are as many seriously unwell as there are recovered. We should expect the same death rate (possibly higher) for all those currently critical. Also older people may technically scrape through but have seriously compromised organs. They may well die 6/9/12 months down the line and possible not be recorded as CV19 victims.

They are mostly older, but I would suspect they are also people without existing health conditions, i.e. relatively healthy for their age. How that balances out the stats, I couldn't say.

About half of them are still infected, and about 10% of those are critical, which is in line with figures elsewhere, so they don't seem to have a higher incidence of being in a critical state than normal. If true, that would suggest their death rate probably wouldn't be out of line either.

[Snowball]

The total number of confirmed cases has gone from 134,000 to over 150,000 in 24 hours

11.94% jump in a day

Most of this jump is outside China which has about 80,000 of the confirmed cases

In other words

54000 non-Chinese cases has jumped to 70000 in 24 hours

That is 29.6% in a day

Excluding China

10:39 12-Mar 46,660 Cases
16:43 13-Mar 57,445 Cases 23% Jump
17:13 14-Mar 73,500 Cases 28% Jump

[Mid Sussex Royal]

In the UK, 1700 died (est. 34k global deaths) n the last flu season we have records for. If more or less people end up dying from this is academic. These will be extra deaths that wouldn't have otherwise occurred.

Deaths will always lag behind cases as well, as it takes quite a few days before people die.

And it's inevitable that the number of actual cases is far higher than the number of reported cases, simply because many with milder symptoms won't get tested, but can still spread the disease.

According to the data, every person on the Diamond Princess cruise ship has been been infected. 696 people, 7 deaths, with 32 still critical. Given that there are no unknown cases on board, that gives a mortality rate of 1% as a minimum, 10 times more deadly than normal flu, and seeing that rise to 2% doesn't seem unreasonable. 2% is approaching Spanish Flu mortality levels.

The big danger comes from a big spike in cases, because there simply won't be the capacity to treat the critical cases with out health system.

Good points. One small redeeming factor is that the age-demographic of those cruising is mostly 60+
and (for example) the death rate for 80+ is 15%

As you hint at, it's not Infected minus deaths. There are as many seriously unwell as there are recovered. We should expect the same death rate (possibly higher) for all those currently critical. Also older people may technically scrape through but have seriously compromised organs. They may well die 6/9/12 months down the line and possible not be recorded as CV19 victims.

Think of Swine Flu, Bird-Flu, SARS and MERS. The isolation/restrictions etc for those were nothing like this time round.

And I think MERS though it didn't spread too much, had a ridiculously-high mortality rate (35%) BUT DIDN'T SPREAD OUTSIDE HOSPITALS


2,494 CASES - 800 DEATHS - 35% - - - MERS
8,096 CASES - 774 DEATHS - 9.56% - - SARS

150,000 RECORDED cases, 5,610 Deaths = Death rate (for recorded cases) of 3.73% COV-19

We are fast-approaching 6,000 Deaths, virtually FOUR TIMES SARS & MERS combined and this pandemic is nowhere near its peak


If the government-linked experts are correct (that 80% will get it)
and if the overall death rate is just 1% (note above it's currently 3.7%
of confirmed cases) then that equates to 1,000,000 deaths in the UK alone.

That's not a typo.

So if miraculously the death rate in the UK is only half a per cent
63 Million * 0.8 * 0.5% is still half a million people.

Germany has ordered 10,000 new medical ventilators (cost $170 Million)
and Italy has ordered 5,000. How many has the UK ordered?

The trouble is you're obsessed with stats and it seems to be your answer to everything.

The Spring equinox is next week (in case you don't know what that is it's when days become longer than nights) andthe warmer weather that follows will kill off the spread from person to person pretty quickly. FACT. Please stop scare mongering. You're as bad as Piers Morgan.

[Stranded]

Deaths will always lag behind cases as well, as it takes quite a few days before people die.

And it's inevitable that the number of actual cases is far higher than the number of reported cases, simply because many with milder symptoms won't get tested, but can still spread the disease.

According to the data, every person on the Diamond Princess cruise ship has been been infected. 696 people, 7 deaths, with 32 still critical. Given that there are no unknown cases on board, that gives a mortality rate of 1% as a minimum, 10 times more deadly than normal flu, and seeing that rise to 2% doesn't seem unreasonable. 2% is approaching Spanish Flu mortality levels.

The big danger comes from a big spike in cases, because there simply won't be the capacity to treat the critical cases with out health system.

Good points. One small redeeming factor is that the age-demographic of those cruising is mostly 60+
and (for example) the death rate for 80+ is 15%

As you hint at, it's not Infected minus deaths. There are as many seriously unwell as there are recovered. We should expect the same death rate (possibly higher) for all those currently critical. Also older people may technically scrape through but have seriously compromised organs. They may well die 6/9/12 months down the line and possible not be recorded as CV19 victims.

Think of Swine Flu, Bird-Flu, SARS and MERS. The isolation/restrictions etc for those were nothing like this time round.

And I think MERS though it didn't spread too much, had a ridiculously-high mortality rate (35%) BUT DIDN'T SPREAD OUTSIDE HOSPITALS


2,494 CASES - 800 DEATHS - 35% - - - MERS
8,096 CASES - 774 DEATHS - 9.56% - - SARS

150,000 RECORDED cases, 5,610 Deaths = Death rate (for recorded cases) of 3.73% COV-19

We are fast-approaching 6,000 Deaths, virtually FOUR TIMES SARS & MERS combined and this pandemic is nowhere near its peak


If the government-linked experts are correct (that 80% will get it)
and if the overall death rate is just 1% (note above it's currently 3.7%
of confirmed cases) then that equates to 1,000,000 deaths in the UK alone.

That's not a typo.

So if miraculously the death rate in the UK is only half a per cent
63 Million * 0.8 * 0.5% is still half a million people.

Germany has ordered 10,000 new medical ventilators (cost $170 Million)
and Italy has ordered 5,000. How many has the UK ordered?

The trouble is you're obsessed with stats and it seems to be your answer to everything.

The Spring equinox is next week (in case you don't know what that is it's when days become longer than nights) andthe warmer weather that follows will kill off the spread from person to person pretty quickly. FACT. Please stop scare mongering. You're as bad as Piers Morgan.

You see, no-one knows that and the FACT it is spreading from person to person in places like Singapore and Australia at the mo suggest it may not be seasonal. We all hope it is of course to buy time before the 2nd wave.

[Hound]

it’s all very uncertain. We don’t know how the virus will continue to mutate and behave. We don’t even know if getting it once rules you out of getting it again

However you can’t just stop life. Saw suggestions of schools taking 16 weeks off. It will do untold and widespread damage to these kids in their development, and if you stop all the socialising, sports clubs, after schools club and structured education it’s going to store up all sorts of trouble with bored kids/teenagers etc. And this is a group which barely get touched by the virus

And that’s not going into the massive hit to the economy and the knock on effects of people losing jobs, depression, unable to buy food etc

It’s a massive headache and I don’t envy anyone who has to try to make the decisions to get this right.