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Championship group administration possible ???

by Royals and Racers » 08 Apr 2020 09:07


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by Old Man Andrews » 08 Apr 2020 09:22

English football has needed a hitting of the reset button for a while now, especially at Football League level.

Would be very much in favour of all Football League clubs having a salary cap each season like in the NFL with all players given a 1 year contract so thay they then become available the following summer for clubs to bid for. Start each club within in Championship, League 1, League 2 with a set cap dependant on the league they are in.

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by Hound » 08 Apr 2020 09:30

well suppose it would address our FFP issues

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by Nameless » 08 Apr 2020 09:49

[quote="Old Man Andrews"]English football has needed a hitting of the reset button for a while now, especially at Football League level.

Would be very much in favour of all Football League clubs having a salary cap each season like in the NFL with all players given a 1 year contract so thay they then become available the following summer for clubs to bid for. Start each club within in Championship, League 1, League 2 with a set cap dependant on the league they are in.[/quote

Surely that would mean the end of Academy’s and indeed any incentive to produce youth players, ending the future supply of players.
In US sport youth development is outsourced to the universities. Who would spend 10 years developing young players if they got 1 year’s use of them then lost them for nothing ?

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by Old Man Andrews » 08 Apr 2020 09:53

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Old Man Andrews English football has needed a hitting of the reset button for a while now, especially at Football League level.

Would be very much in favour of all Football League clubs having a salary cap each season like in the NFL with all players given a 1 year contract so thay they then become available the following summer for clubs to bid for. Start each club within in Championship, League 1, League 2 with a set cap dependant on the league they are in.[/quote

Surely that would mean the end of Academy’s and indeed any incentive to produce youth players, ending the future supply of players.
In US sport youth development is outsourced to the universities. Who would spend 10 years developing young players if they got 1 year’s use of them then lost them for nothing ?

I would negate that by having academy graduates on a longer deal or have the salary cap just for players over the age of 21. Agree their are stumbling blocks to it, just thinking of ways to make football more affordable and fairer for the smaller clubs.


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by genome » 08 Apr 2020 10:05

Having wiped the slate, clubs would be bought back from administration by the same owners and staff re-employed. Reading, for instance, would re-form as Reading 2020, just as Middlesbrough have 1986 in their full company name, since being resurrected by Steve Gibson.


SUPER READING 2020

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by WestYorksRoyal » 08 Apr 2020 10:05

It seems like a bit of a nuclear option. But hopefully this crisis will see a change in football's priorities and changes in governance. We'll see though; if people renew their Sky subscription after this passes, money will continue to pour into the Premier League and clubs will continue to take risks to get there.

Wage caps are good in principle, but it will make survival for promoted teams night on impossible as the gap between EFL and PL will just grow. You can talk about foreign owners, wages etc. but the root cause of all this is a top division with staggering resources which has created a structure which ensures they are not accountable to the rest of the footballing pyramid.

So any effective response to this crisis needs to look at this. Maybe the PL can be involved in a salary cap too. Or they can pass more of the TV revenue to the EFL. It all seems unlikely to me. Or we can do our own thing in the EFL and accept promoted teams will struggle. Small price to pay for keeping clubs afloat.

In all options, you will see some powerful people kicking and screaming in opposition.

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by Nameless » 08 Apr 2020 10:53

Wage caps would need to be global
Enforce one here and everyone would disappear to countries where there wasn’t one.
It’s why so many overseas players are in England’s - there is a differential between what they earn here and what they earn in the rest of the world.
Now it might be a good thing to turn English football into a low cost, low skill affair but maybe not...

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by Nameless » 08 Apr 2020 10:57

Wage caps would need to be global
Enforce one here and everyone would disappear to countries where there wasn’t one.
It’s why so many overseas players are in England’s - there is a differential between what they earn here and what they earn in the rest of the world.
Now it might be a good thing to turn English football into a low cost, low skill affair but maybe not...

Rugby gets round the issue of players chasing the money by the international eligibility rules but that wouldn’t work in football.


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by Sanguine » 08 Apr 2020 11:02

Nameless Wage caps would need to be global
Enforce one here and everyone would disappear to countries where there wasn’t one.
It’s why so many overseas players are in England’s - there is a differential between what they earn here and what they earn in the rest of the world.
Now it might be a good thing to turn English football into a low cost, low skill affair but maybe not...

Rugby gets round the issue of players chasing the money by the international eligibility rules but that wouldn’t work in football.


Yep, wage cap works in US sports because the NBA, NFL and MLB are also the highest paying leagues in their sports (and even then it's a team salary cap, rather than for individuals).

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by SCIAG » 08 Apr 2020 11:03

I know tabloid sports sections are generally less unreliable than their parent paper, but until a more reputable organisation confirms this story then I’ll assume it is just clickbait- desperately needed right now.

A total hair-brained scheme that is absolutely full of holes.

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by One87One » 08 Apr 2020 11:06

If they allow every Championship club to enter admin to clear their debts, then they have to let all Football League clubs do the same. I'm fully in favour of wage caps at all levels of world football. The game is completely out of control.

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by Nameless » 08 Apr 2020 11:22

One87One If they allow every Championship club to enter admin to clear their debts, then they have to let all Football League clubs do the same. I'm fully in favour of wage caps at all levels of world football. The game is completely out of control.


To rephrase that you are all in favour of club owners and tv companies taking a much bigger share of the money generated by football....


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by WestYorksRoyal » 08 Apr 2020 11:58

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Nameless Wage caps would need to be global
Enforce one here and everyone would disappear to countries where there wasn’t one.
It’s why so many overseas players are in England’s - there is a differential between what they earn here and what they earn in the rest of the world.
Now it might be a good thing to turn English football into a low cost, low skill affair but maybe not...

Rugby gets round the issue of players chasing the money by the international eligibility rules but that wouldn’t work in football.


Yep, wage cap works in US sports because the NBA, NFL and MLB are also the highest paying leagues in their sports (and even then it's a team salary cap, rather than for individuals).

But, English football really is the worst offender on a global scale and already pays the most wages. We could well become a global leader if we took our own unilateral measures; it would certainly cool the global market aside from a few clubs (Barca, Real, Juve, PSG, Bayern). And they can't sign everybody, so the global market would cool.

The massive flaw in this plan is that our Big 6 would never agree to it. But if they hypothetically did, the rest of the world could well follow.

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by Sanguine » 08 Apr 2020 12:03

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The massive flaw in this plan is that our Big 6 would never agree to it. But if they hypothetically did, the rest of the world could well follow.


For a wage cap to be effective, it would be well below the wages paid of even mid-table top-tier clubs, nevermind the big ones.

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by Franchise FC » 08 Apr 2020 13:00

As I've said plenty of times before I think there should be a cap on BASIC for players, but with the proviso that they can only earn anything more if the PLAY. That would almost certainly remove the stockpiling and, since the supply would increase, the price should come down as the demand would be lower.

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by Notts Royal » 08 Apr 2020 13:49

I think the biggest issue is the financial gap between the leagues. If that was addressed, there would be less gambling by Championship clubs and a more sustainable approach taken. Surely playing at a higher level is enough of an incentive?

The TV money is ridiculous. Let’s be honest, who’s bothered about watching Southampton v Burnley on TV anyway?

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by tmesis » 08 Apr 2020 22:16

I don't think you need salary caps. All you need to do if prevent clubs that are in debt from increasing that debt by signing more players.

If there's one thing I'd love to have from the US sports, it's not salary caps, it's the ability to "cut" players from the squad. If unwanted players could be released on a free it would help hugely, especially after relegation.


Fans here would hate salary caps. Imagine if we dropped into League Two after administration, for example. We might be getting 8000 a week at our games, but be limited to a budget of a club pulling 3500 a game. Fans would be hugely frustrated at not being able to use a financial advantage of being a "bigger club" to our benefit.

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by Franchise FC » 09 Apr 2020 07:56

tmesis I don't think you need salary caps. All you need to do if prevent clubs that are in debt from increasing that debt by signing more players.

If there's one thing I'd love to have from the US sports, it's not salary caps, it's the ability to "cut" players from the squad. If unwanted players could be released on a free it would help hugely, especially after relegation.


Fans here would hate salary caps. Imagine if we dropped into League Two after administration, for example. We might be getting 8000 a week at our games, but be limited to a budget of a club pulling 3500 a game. Fans would be hugely frustrated at not being able to use a financial advantage of being a "bigger club" to our benefit.

Please name just one club that is not in debt

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by Greatwesternline » 09 Apr 2020 08:19

Why don't they just furlough their players? Presumably clubs are scared they will lose the registration of their players. But the option is there already. Strange article

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