26-27 Season Tickets

[MR. CYNICAL]

You can't, no.


They're trying to get as many people onto the One Royal subscription, so the added benefits compared to a traditional season ticket are being viewed as incentives to get people to chose a monthly subscription rather than paying up front.

I still don't get why they would prefer people to spread their monthly payments, rather than get all of the money into the club up front. I'm sure the accountants can then work out how to best manage that in financial/accounting/expenditure terms.

The only plus side that I can see is that the club are hoping people won't get around to cancelling their subscriptions so they will potentially get more ongoing income (or at least the three month notice period).

I think that latter point is what the club are trying to do: hope people forget to cancel.

They'll also be able to change the pricing of the subscription more easily too. A 'it's only gone up by £5 per month' sort of thing, you can afford that. With 5,000 subscribers (hypothetically), that would be an extra £300,000 in revenue per year for the club.

I just think linking season tickets to a subscription is very predatory. It will likely allow the club to get away with some underhand tactics to draw more money from people.

Just do what you normally do. Renew with an up front payment.

[Clyde1998]

I still don't get why they would prefer people to spread their monthly payments, rather than get all of the money into the club up front. I'm sure the accountants can then work out how to best manage that in financial/accounting/expenditure terms.

The only plus side that I can see is that the club are hoping people won't get around to cancelling their subscriptions so they will potentially get more ongoing income (or at least the three month notice period).

I think that latter point is what the club are trying to do: hope people forget to cancel.

They'll also be able to change the pricing of the subscription more easily too. A 'it's only gone up by £5 per month' sort of thing, you can afford that. With 5,000 subscribers (hypothetically), that would be an extra £300,000 in revenue per year for the club.

I just think linking season tickets to a subscription is very predatory. It will likely allow the club to get away with some underhand tactics to draw more money from people.

Just do what you normally do. Renew with an up front payment.

That's what I intend to do.

I was responding to a specific point as to why the club would want to push a subscription model, rather than receive all the upfront season ticket money.

Most people who'd want to go via a monthly payment route for season tickets are people who are unable to afford a one-off ~£400 payment, or it would make much better budgeting sense for them (especially if they take their kids along with them too).

Of course, you can't have any of the 'benefits' of the higher tiers without being in the subscription either.

[tidus_mi2]

After being hardline not gonna renew, I am beginning to soften, it's time spent with my Dad and nephews, and I end up seeing my sister so it can be hard to give that up.

I think there are also mitigating factors for Leamball being absolute dogshit

Injury list
Panic additions in Jan based on said injury list that didn't work (although some did)
Criticisms of the pre-season
Criticisms of the Summer transfer window.

If it's still dogshit after the pre-season I don't think Leam will really have any excuses left however.

[Clyde1998]

Appears we've successfully crossed 1,000 sales: I make it 1,059 so far.

If we carry on at this rate, we'll sell just over 2,500 this season. Obviously, sales will pick up around pay day for people and towards the renewal deadline, but they'll have to pick up a lot to get close to last season's numbers.

[Sutekh]

Appears we've successfully crossed 1,000 sales: I make it 1,059 so far.

If we carry on at this rate, we'll sell just over 2,500 this season. Obviously, sales will pick up around pay day for people and towards the renewal deadline, but they'll have to pick up a lot to get close to last season's numbers.

Expecting a big number to be sold around the start of the new season.

[Royalwaster]

After being hardline not gonna renew, I am beginning to soften, it's time spent with my Dad and nephews, and I end up seeing my sister so it can be hard to give that up.

I think there are also mitigating factors for Leamball being absolute dogshit

Injury list
Panic additions in Jan based on said injury list that didn't work (although some did)
Criticisms of the pre-season
Criticisms of the Summer transfer window.

If it's still dogshit after the pre-season I don't think Leam will really have any excuses left however.

Very much my thinking - the football may not be the most entertaining but there are so many side benefits of going that I'd not want to give up.

[Marcel]

Already decided not to renew.
Plenty of room in our half empty stadium to go to a game if I want but very unlikely with Richardson in charge.

[blythspartan]

Appears we've successfully crossed 1,000 sales: I make it 1,059 so far.

If we carry on at this rate, we'll sell just over 2,500 this season. Obviously, sales will pick up around pay day for people and towards the renewal deadline, but they'll have to pick up a lot to get close to last season's numbers.

Not sure where 1,059 has come from, but I was told by a friend who works at the club that it’s around 600 so far.

[Clyde1998]

Appears we've successfully crossed 1,000 sales: I make it 1,059 so far.

If we carry on at this rate, we'll sell just over 2,500 this season. Obviously, sales will pick up around pay day for people and towards the renewal deadline, but they'll have to pick up a lot to get close to last season's numbers.

Not sure where 1,059 has come from, but I was told by a friend who works at the club that it’s around 600 so far.

It's my usual method of estimating ticket sales: using the club's ticketing site to see where sales are (once adjusting for obvious areas where tickets aren't being sold, such as segregation). It typically ends up being fairly accurate.

My figure includes both season tickets and subscriptions, as you can't differentiate between the two on the map.

The 600 figure may be inaccurate; accurate for traditional season tickets only; accurate for subscriptions only; accurate for both combined and I'm overestimating.

Regardless of the exact number, it appears to be an incredibly low number of sales at this stage.

[Tinpot Royal]

As the date you buy the new subscription model is the day you will be charged every month, I would imagine the majority are waiting for the start of June to renew, I certainly am

[Clyde1998]

As the date you buy the new subscription model is the day you will be charged every month, I would imagine the majority are waiting for the start of June to renew, I certainly am

Makes sense, does seem strange they're not giving the option of when to be charged each month.

Surely it wouldn't be too difficult for them to delay when the first payment is taken in order to align with what people want?

[MR. CYNICAL]

Appears we've successfully crossed 1,000 sales: I make it 1,059 so far.

If we carry on at this rate, we'll sell just over 2,500 this season. Obviously, sales will pick up around pay day for people and towards the renewal deadline, but they'll have to pick up a lot to get close to last season's numbers.

Not sure where 1,059 has come from, but I was told by a friend who works at the club that it’s around 600 so far.

It's my usual method of estimating ticket sales: using the club's ticketing site to see where sales are (once adjusting for obvious areas where tickets aren't being sold, such as segregation). It typically ends up being fairly accurate.

My figure includes both season tickets and subscriptions, as you can't differentiate between the two on the map.

The 600 figure may be inaccurate; accurate for traditional season tickets only; accurate for subscriptions only; accurate for both combined and I'm overestimating.

Regardless of the exact number, it appears to be an incredibly low number of sales at this stage.

Can't be bothered to scroll back and check but how many season ticket holders were there last season? Was it around 7000 and whatever it was, how many did we sell at this stage?
Would imagine a lot of people are still digesting the new subscription scheme and have yet to decide whether to go with that or stay with the traditional renewal in which case could explain the low uptake at this early stage.

[Whore Jackie]

25/26: ST holders: 8,069
24/25: ST holders: 7,941

Not sure what the panic is, they're only been on sale 9 days. Let's see where we are at 3pm on 15 June, when last year's pricing ends.

That all said, I suspect we'll be looking at 7,500 ST and One Royal combined by the time 26/27 season kicks off.

[katweslowski]

That all said, I suspect we'll be looking at 7,500 ST and One Royal combined by the time 26/27 season kicks off.

It still shocks and depresses me a bit just how shit our attendances are, and our general support. I look at the likes of Bradford, Bolton, Derby, Cardiff, Ipswich, even Huddersfield and they're all massively larger than ours.

[blythspartan]

That all said, I suspect we'll be looking at 7,500 ST and One Royal combined by the time 26/27 season kicks off.

It still shocks and depresses me a bit just how shit our attendances are, and our general support. I look at the likes of Bradford, Bolton, Derby, Cardiff, Ipswich, even Huddersfield and they're all massively larger than ours.

I agree, but I’d argue most of those clubs have been on an upward trajectory. I think we have a solid 10-12k fanbase, but we’ve always needed a big occasion or to be doing well to attract more fans.

The last 10 years or so have been utter garbage and I think the extra fans we attracted during the good times have mostly disappeared.

[Clyde1998]

25/26: ST holders: 8,069
24/25: ST holders: 7,941

Not sure what the panic is, they're only been on sale 9 days. Let's see where we are at 3pm on 15 June, when last year's pricing ends.

That all said, I suspect we'll be looking at 7,500 ST and One Royal combined by the time 26/27 season kicks off.

Just to clarify, those numbers are for the 2024-25 and 2023-24 seasons respectively.

We don't have official figures for the 2025-26 season, but Couhig did say we'd sold 'more than 9,000' in August.

In a more historical context, the figures I have are:

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2000-01	~ 4,000
2001-02	~ 5,000
2002-03	
2003-04	
2004-05	
2005-06	
2006-07	~18,000
2007-08	~18,000
2008-09	~13,000
2009-10	~13,000
2010-11	~11,000
2011-12	 12,395
2012-13	 17,447
2013-14	 14,547
2014-15	 12,552
2015-16	 12,685
2016-17	 11,497
2017-18	 11,586
2018-19	 10,052
2019-20	  9,561
2020-21	 Covid
2021-22	  8,346
2022-23	  8,204
2023-24	  7,941
2024-25	  8,069
2025-26	~ 9,000

[Marcel]

That all said, I suspect we'll be looking at 7,500 ST and One Royal combined by the time 26/27 season kicks off.

It still shocks and depresses me a bit just how shit our attendances are, and our general support. I look at the likes of Bradford, Bolton, Derby, Cardiff, Ipswich, even Huddersfield and they're all massively larger than ours.

Why are you shocked?
The clubs been in decline for several years and the standard of football over the last season has hardly encouraged people to want to attend regularly even with a season ticket.
The clubs you mentioned all obviously produce a reasonable style of entertainment.

[Clyde1998]

That all said, I suspect we'll be looking at 7,500 ST and One Royal combined by the time 26/27 season kicks off.

It still shocks and depresses me a bit just how shit our attendances are, and our general support. I look at the likes of Bradford, Bolton, Derby, Cardiff, Ipswich, even Huddersfield and they're all massively larger than ours.

Why are you shocked?
The clubs been in decline for several years and the standard of football over the last season has hardly encouraged people to want to attend regularly even with a season ticket.
The clubs you mentioned all obviously produce a reasonable style of entertainment.

They also have higher historical attendances than us, especially when compared to league finish.

Since 1977 (fifty years):

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Club		AveAtt	AvePos
Derby		22,609	    28
Ipswich		19,601	    25
Bolton		16,021	    36
Cardiff		12,384	    46
Huddersfield	11,879	    47
Reading		11,756	    43
Bradford	11,128	    57

[MR. CYNICAL]

It still shocks and depresses me a bit just how shit our attendances are, and our general support. I look at the likes of Bradford, Bolton, Derby, Cardiff, Ipswich, even Huddersfield and they're all massively larger than ours.

Why are you shocked?
The clubs been in decline for several years and the standard of football over the last season has hardly encouraged people to want to attend regularly even with a season ticket.
The clubs you mentioned all obviously produce a reasonable style of entertainment.

They also have higher historical attendances than us, especially when compared to league finish.

Since 1977 (fifty years):

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Club		AveAtt	AvePos
Derby		22,609	    28
Ipswich		19,601	    25
Bolton		16,021	    36
Cardiff		12,384	    46
Huddersfield	11,879	    47
Reading		11,756	    43
Bradford	11,128	    57

That's evened it out a bit. Shows that Derby, Ipswich and Bolton have spent a lot of that period in the top two divisions with a fair few at the top level. Of the remaining four, we're on a par over that time while the last few years we've probably been more in a decline than the others, hence the smaller crowds.